Nissan 350z Vs BMW 330i*Official Real Deal Mostest Dumbening thread o teh week stamp*

[350zkilla]

To begin, I am not trolling on your forums. I just want to let everyone know that before I continue. All I ask of you BMW owners is to argue against my point or for my point with as much NON-biased thinking as possible. Try and answer with intelligent and factual evidence that you would be able to back up with sources.

I know this is a BMW and foreign thread and I know that I am throwing myself into the lions den. But what way to prove my friend (awesomebmw) wrong that doing it in on his turf. (Florida Germans).

We are arguging two very juvenile points, but we still would like to know what you guys think. Do you think that a 2003 Nissan 350z could take a 2005 BMW 330i on the track. Now keep in mind this factual information.

The 350z has 62 more horsepower than the BMW, and is 200 pounds lighter. I am however aware of the almost perfect 50/50 weight distrubtion that BMW has achieved and I know this works in favor of the BMW. However based on the extensive knowledge that I am sure to find in this forum, who do you think would win in a race?

To my next more superficial and shallow question. Which car looks better in general?

http://www.pbparadise.com/freehost/350z.jpg
OR
http://www.pbparadise.com/freehost/bmw.jpg

Which car would you be MORE likely to go downtown at night, and be able to pick up a girl in? Please I know you are all BMW owners, and have your opinions but please let me and friend know what you honestly think.

Thanks alot for your time

[ben]

For picking up the girl? BMW so I have heard, though I have yet to find any ;)

Track? I would think if the 350 is 200lbs lighter and has 62 more hp, in capable hands it would best the 330.

I will say though, the 350 is a DOWNGRADE from the 300. I'd take a 300zx over 350 any day of the week... much better looking car :)

[AwesomeBMW]

this is my friend guys and he is still learning about cars so dont flame him too, too bad maybe just enough to let him understand that Germans FTW!!!... :germanflag:

[350zkilla]

Heh dont patronize me, let them give their brutal flaming or brutal truths..even if it is against the mighty BMW.

[kelso]

i see no reason to flame anyways? its a logical question. i would not be surprised if the 350z beat the bimmer on the track, but they are both very potent cars so i wouldnt automatically say the 350 would win, but id probably bet on it. for lookin like a pimp id have to take the bmw. but for actually gettin chicks you need a modded car. wheels and a slight drop, maybe some interior touch ups... but its all about the guy driving at the end of the night....

long story short, they are both hot cars, both good performers.... id rock both

[catchuk]

Girls dont always know a whole about cars so most of them would give more looks to you in a 350z, only because the the 330 is a sedan. Not that there is anything wrong with a sedan, because I drive one myself. If it was a 330 coupe though, you'd get more looks.

On the track It would be close, but I honestly would sayt the 350 would probably do slightly better.

Also an Important question, Is the 330 a manual or auto?

[AwesomeBMW]

Girls dont always know a whole about cars so most of them would give more looks to you in a 350z, only because the the 330 is a sedan. Not that there is anything wrong with a sedan, because I drive one myself. If it was a 330 coupe though, you'd get more looks.

On the track It would be close, but I honestly would sayt the 350 would probably do slightly better.

Also an Important question, Is the 330 a manual or auto?
it was an automatic:( but we arent judging that

[M5Beast]

Well...being as objective as possible, the 350z SHOULD beat the E46 in almost all conditions (performance wise).

The difference is that the 330i is a very easy and comfortable car to drive - confidence inspiring. The 350z is a little tail happy so for someone with little experience with oversteer...so if they are twitchy and can't control the car, the 330i is a much better track car...

So, with 2 good drivers - 350z should win.
With 2 drivers of lesser experience - 330i would put up a great fight because it's so easy to push at the limits.

Either way, both are nice cars...but I'd take a 330i way over any Z-car anyday. ;)

Also, the 350z is THE slowest 300hp that I have ever felt in my life...that VQ-35 or whatever they use needs some serious tuning or something - the power delivery sucks!

David A

[JCapelo]

the 330 would get beat by a 350z....

I have played with both 350z and 330s in my car and 350z def have more umph especially up top....

350z is more of e36 m3 territory, and e36 m3s beat on 330's

sry Josh

[350zkilla]

Girls dont always know a whole about cars so most of them would give more looks to you in a 350z, only because the the 330 is a sedan. Not that there is anything wrong with a sedan, because I drive one myself. If it was a 330 coupe though, you'd get more looks.

On the track It would be close, but I honestly would sayt the 350 would probably do slightly better.

Also an Important question, Is the 330 a manual or auto?
The 330 is an AUTOMATIC, the 350z is a 6 speed manual

[AwesomeBMW]

The 330 is an AUTOMATIC, the 350z is a 6 speed manual
i answered that question already... we cant knock on the auto please i didnt choose it my dad did...

[AwesomeBMW]

alright guys me and my buddy Tom (350Zkilla) still cant see who actually wins...

so let us just do this... whos car would you rather have? no manual or auto comments just if both where manual...

[M5Beast]

The 330 is an AUTOMATIC, the 350z is a 6 speed manual

Wait, are we talking about straight line speed? :rofl:!

Sorry...I guess I never even consider it because it doesn't really interest me...

350z would own...end of story.


alright guys me and my buddy Tom (350Zkilla) still cant see who actually wins...

so let us just do this... whos car would you rather have? no manual or auto comments just if both where manual...

Well, your car is automatic...making the comparison unrealistic...

Anyway, IF they were both manual, I'd say it would depend on what mood I am in.

[350zkilla]

Wait, are we talking about straight line speed? :rofl:!

Sorry...I guess I never even consider it because it doesn't really interest me...

350z would own...end of story.



Well, your car is automatic...making the comparison unrealistic...

Anyway, IF they were both manual, I'd say it would depend on what mood I am in.

We were talking about in general, but by the way thats a sweet ass M5!

Ms.Beast of course.

[M5Beast]

We were talking about in general, but by the way thats a sweet ass M5!

Ms.Beast of course.

I'm sure Ryan will see this post later on - he's playing Battlefield 2 on my computer and I'm too lazy to log in on my name...:rofl:

I did take the picture, though. ;)

[AwesomeBMW]

We were talking about in general, but by the way thats a sweet ass M5!

Ms.Beast of course.
ya we were talking about just in general terms my Sport vs his Z in terms of all round performance, fun factor, the "look" as Tom calls it and what picks up more chicks... no tranny considered in this

[350zkilla]

I dont remember you getting any random girls # in your door handle...AWESOMEBMW :-)

[AwesomeBMW]

I dont remember you getting any random girls # in your door handle...AWESOMEBMW :-)
hahaha at least i could fit all of them in my new car for the beach or wait even my old one :rofl: you can barely fit a human leg...

[350zkilla]

hahaha at least i could fit all of them in my new car for the beach or wait even my old one :rofl: you can barely fit a human leg...
Operative words


all of them
Who???

:thumbd:

[M5Beast]

AwesomBMW...didn't your dad sell the car?

[350zkilla]

AwesomBMW...didn't your dad sell the car?

He did indeed!

But he can race me at the track in the CX-7 though, its got a turbo charger!!!:D

[AwesomeBMW]

AwesomBMW...didn't your dad sell the car?
well he traded it in but ya :( :mad: :cry: :roll:

[AwesomeBMW]

He did indeed!

But he can race me at the track in the CX-7 though, its got a turbo charger!!!:D
and an intercooler dont forget... but it takes 3 days to get to 2500rpm which is where my torque kicks in... 244hp and 258lb-ft of torque...

[M5Beast]

Then why are we even arguing? :dunno:

[350zkilla]

Because his past still haunts him.

[AwesomeBMW]

Then why are we even arguing? :dunno:
ah just because i miss my Betty (my BMW's name) and also bc my friend doesnt think that BMW's have the look as he calls it... and im telling him that they do bc he wants to get rid of his car for something with 4 seats and i keep telling him that the M3 is the best bang for the buck but he thinks it isnt as great bc its not as flashy as a MB... and also the M3 only has 333hp and his has 287hp and he doesnt think the M3 is that much of an improvement i dont think...

[AwesomeBMW]

Because his past still haunts him.
:rofl: in some ways yes...

[350zkilla]

ah just because i miss my Betty (my BMW's name) and also bc my friend doesnt think that BMW's have the look as he calls it... and im telling him that they do bc he wants to get rid of his car for something with 4 seats and i keep telling him that the M3 is the best bang for the buck but he thinks it isnt as great bc its not as flashy as a MB... and also the M3 only has 333hp and his has 287hp and he doesnt think the M3 is that much of an improvement i dont think...

You are wrong on so many levels..And I dont want an MB.

I want a porsche mo ****a.

[catchuk]

you named your car betty? I named mine Heidi.

[Roy]

This thread is a waste of bandwith..

There is no real way to know unless you take a 330i and a 350z to the track with equal drivers, or put one in the seat of both of them..

Each has its own, 350z is a better performer, and is also a new car.
It also doesn't have a back seat.

330 has 50/50 and great driveability.
it also only has 225hp for a 40,000 car.

We could go on and on about it.
Those that disagree, just agree to disagree.. And leave it at that. These thread's are such a nusance IMHO.. I find it better to discuss actual events.. If you feel the need to discuss "what if" scenario's to such great lengths, your missing out on what is REALLY happening..

my .02 cents, and I'm out.

[AwesomeBMW]

you named your car betty? I named mine Heidi.
haha good name

[LDadrenaline]

yeah Id go for 350Z, because Im pretty non biased.... Personally I prefer performance of some luxuries like satnav, powered seats, leather, ABS, traction control, and all that stuff. For long trips I'd rather the 330i because it is more comfortable, but i live my life at the track so id take the 350Z :/

[LDadrenaline]

hmm yeah wow another time i typed up a response and didnt click post.... that was late lol

[kelso]

well stock for stock niether one should be interesting to random chicks. i would think the bmw would get more attention though because people associate bmw's with hot balla money money:alright:

[AwesomeBMW]

i would think the bmw would get more attention though because people associate bmw's with hot balla money money:alright:
damn straight :alright:

[TheDarkSide]

I think the 350z would whoop up on the 330 in just about everything..less practicability, luxury, quality....also looks if it is a coupe. I don't see how these cars are even comparable. You are comparing a 4 door automatic to a 2 seater sports car. I would take a 330 coupe 6MT over the 350z but 350z over a 330 sedan auto. The 350z holds it own on the track, sounds damn good for stock, but the inside drives me nuts. Blind spots are crazy, windows are too high, and only the touring is bearable.

[Variance]

To be honest, you're comparing apples and oranges. The 350Z is a dedicated 2 seater sports car, whereas the 330 is an all-rounder sedan. That being said, comparing the two, the Z will beat the 330 in just about any performance-related endeavor. As for which I would choose, I'd probably take the Z, just because it's a 2 door sportscar. As for whether an E46 M3 is an upgrade or not, you'd have to drive one and make the decision yourself. Personally I'd take an Elise over all of them, but look at me, I drive a 318; I don't care about power... XD

[TheDarkSide]

As for whether an E46 M3 is an upgrade or not, you'd have to drive one and make the decision yourself. Personally I'd take an Elise over all of them

Elise < E46 M3<E46 p M3<>

[AwesomeBMW]

ya know damn i at least thought my own boys would stick up for me and take my car but i guess not... we arent comparing the tranny bc i know i could still beat cars in the sport mode so... but we are more or less saying around the track manual to manual in a sense and also which is better and which would you rather take???

[LDadrenaline]

pfft elise?? id take an exige

[Variance]

Well, the Exige is kinda 8k more, and all you get is a roof, so I dunno.

[RPM Photography]

God, I keep telling you guys a 320dt is no match for a Bugatti Veyron.

[BallsDeepAsian350]

he wants to get rid of his car for something with 4 seats and i keep telling him that the M3 is the best bang for the buck

M3? :rofl:

If you want something with 4 seats the M3 isnt gonna cut it.

[LDadrenaline]

i know this is a german car site, but seriously the M3 is nowhere near the "best bang for your buck". I mean, I used to run with you guys (or outrun :P) all the time in my car which didn't cost me nearly as much... M3 is a well built, decently fast car. It is pretty luxurious, but I would never say its the best abng for the buck... If you want a fast 4 seater I say go with an evo or sti.... I hear good things about the Mazda 6s too

[ben]

M3? :rofl:

If you want something with 4 seats the M3 isnt gonna cut it.

Works fine for me -- without 4 seats, the M3 loses out on being a great DD :)

I'd say the M3 is the best bang for your buck combination of sport, looks, luxury and daily drivability. If I wanted 4 doors and more accessible rear seats, I would have probably looked into the Audi S4.

If you are talking simply bang for the buck performance, well you have the budget rockets STI and Evo, and higher up on the food chain you have the Z06.... none of which IMO constitute being a well balanced daily driver, hence the M3 in my sig ;)

[BallsDeepAsian350]

There isnt a BMW that is a "bang for the buck." Thats the point of BMW. You get what you pay for and, henceforth, BMW are expensive cars.

:rofl:

[catchuk]

actually I would say the best bang for the buck is the SRT-4!

[Kevlar]

That's pretty damned true actually. You could get the 03 when it came out for less than 20k, and those put down around 230 to the wheels, STOCK. They'll rape a WRX from a roll, and catch up to and blow by it in the 1/4.

[ben]

That's pretty damned true actually. You could get the 03 when it came out for less than 20k, and those put down around 230 to the wheels, STOCK. They'll rape a WRX from a roll, and catch up to and blow by it in the 1/4.

FWD tho vs WRX's AWD...which would you rather have on a track

[TheDarkSide]

Best bang for the buck is gay if you ask me. As far as what? Performance? Practicability? Luxury? Gay?

[Roy]

That's pretty damned true actually. You could get the 03 when it came out for less than 20k, and those put down around 230 to the wheels, STOCK. They'll rape a WRX from a roll, and catch up to and blow by it in the 1/4.
03's put down 215whp.. 2004+ put down 230whp.

[AwesomeBMW]

There isnt a BMW that is a "bang for the buck." Thats the point of BMW. You get what you pay for and, henceforth, BMW are expensive cars.

:rofl:
but see in German car terms BMW's are the best bang for the buck in many categories so either pony up and get one and understand what we are saying or just walk away from this thread now...

[Roy]

but see in German car terms BMW's are the best bang for the buck in many categories so either pony up and get one and understand what we are saying or just walk away from this thread now...
Ignorance is Bliss.

[BallsDeepAsian350]

but see in German car terms BMW's are the best bang for the buck in many categories so either pony up and get one and understand what we are saying or just walk away from this thread now...

You really have no idea what your talking about. And I will continue to post in this thread to make you look foolish.

[LDadrenaline]

FWD tho vs WRX's AWD...which would you rather have on a track

yeah whenever someone says an srt4 is better thats how i always respond

[TheDarkSide]

Ignorance is Bliss.


:highfive:

[David A]

Ignorance is Bliss.

+1 :cheers:

[JuCo]

Between the 2 cars in question...

350z is a much better performance car.....

330 is a great "performing car," not a performance car, so in terms of around a track with equal drivers and conditions, the 350 prevails.

330 is a great car for comfort, luxury, performance....yada yada.

BANG FOR BUCK = DODGE SRT-4...(speaking for new cars)

LD...your WRX...hanging with M3's I don't recall that,...but then again I never saw you run anyone....I just saw you playing catch up.


Ignorance is BLISS....

and not caring what other people think...even better.....

[M52 POWER!]

Between the 2 cars in question...

350z is a much better performance car.....

330 is a great "performing car," not a performance car, so in terms of around a track with equal drivers and conditions, the 350 prevails.

330 is a great car for comfort, luxury, performance....yada yada.

BANG FOR BUCK = DODGE SRT-4...(speaking for new cars)

LD...your WRX...hanging with M3's I don't recall that,...but then again I never saw you run anyone....I just saw you playing catch up.


Ignorance is BLISS....

and not caring what other people think...even better.....

328is + put-together-yourself-turbo-kit ftmfw!

[BallsDeepAsian350]

but see in German car terms BMW's are the best bang for the buck in many categories so either pony up and get one and understand what we are saying or just walk away from this thread now...

See, I was gonna hold back on making you look stupid but Its getting out of hand in two different threads now. BMW's are nowhere near a "bang for the buck" in any category, in german car terms or any car terms for that matter. So lets look at this objectively.

German car world. A volkswagon isnt a better bang for the buck? Everyday car world. If you want performance, you can buy some supped up Mustang with 300+ for half the price of a BMW. Luxury? Acura comes to mind when it comes to affordable luxury. We wont even talk about economy or any other stupid category because BMW will fall short when we talk about bang for the buck. The reason BMWs are so high up on the food chain is because they are great cars and in turn come with the great price tag. In no way a bang for the buck.

Anyone who knows anything about BMWs on this forum is not backing you up. I really dont mean to be a d!ck but for some reason I catch the heat because I dont drive German. This is why Im defending myself. Dont you ever tell me to "pony up and get one" ever again. Maybe I should "pony up" and get a BMW. Maybe I should fall in love with it and then have my Dad trade it in for an SUV. Twice. Maybe then I can think I know more about BMWs than anyone who doesnt drive one. You drive a Mazda for christ sakes. So now it would be best if we just agreed to end this silly fued. Stop posting ignorant, irrelevant comments in my threads...and I will stop calling you out on your stupidity.


Cliffs: Just read it

[TheDarkSide]

I will say BMW is not what I would consider ever "best-for-the-buck" First I hate saying that because everyone's needs are different. Size, performance, luxury, practicability. BMW is my favorite (realistic) car company. But I would not say I got a steal over other cars :dunno: Speed wise I would have got an 04ish cobra. Luxury Acura will give the most for the money. All of it combined I would say S4 RS4.

[BallsDeepAsian350]

I will say BMW is not what I would consider ever "best-for-the-buck" First I hate saying that because everyone's needs are different. Size, performance, luxury, practicability. BMW is my favorite (realistic) car company. But I would not say I got a steal over other cars :dunno: Speed wise I would have got an 04ish cobra. Luxury Acura will give the most for the money. All of it combined I would say S4 RS4.

Thats the point I try to make but its not cool to listen to FLAsian :roll:

[LDadrenaline]

LD...your WRX...hanging with M3's I don't recall that,...but then again I never saw you run anyone....I just saw you playing catch up.


nah i remember running with or ahead of you guys quite a few times. I had about 260-265 bhp whenever I was with you, and britride01 was the only one who saw the car when it had 290-295 bhp

also i always used to follow cuz i never knew where the fck we were going or even where we were

[AwesomeBMW]

See, I was gonna hold back on making you look stupid but Its getting out of hand in two different threads now. BMW's are nowhere near a "bang for the buck" in any category, in german car terms or any car terms for that matter. So lets look at this objectively.

German car world. A volkswagon isnt a better bang for the buck? Everyday car world. If you want performance, you can buy some supped up Mustang with 300+ for half the price of a BMW. Luxury? Acura comes to mind when it comes to affordable luxury. We wont even talk about economy or any other stupid category because BMW will fall short when we talk about bang for the buck. The reason BMWs are so high up on the food chain is because they are great cars and in turn come with the great price tag. In no way a bang for the buck.

Anyone who knows anything about BMWs on this forum is not backing you up. I really dont mean to be a d!ck but for some reason I catch the heat because I dont drive German. This is why Im defending myself. Dont you ever tell me to "pony up and get one" ever again. Maybe I should "pony up" and get a BMW. Maybe I should fall in love with it and then have my Dad trade it in for an SUV. Twice. Maybe then I can think I know more about BMWs than anyone who doesnt drive one. You drive a Mazda for christ sakes. So now it would be best if we just agreed to end this silly fued. Stop posting ignorant, irrelevant comments in my threads...and I will stop calling you out on your stupidity.


Cliffs: Just read it

again pony up and buy one and tell me what you think afterwards... you dont want to know the cars i have had the priviledge to ride in and drive... ok BMW is a good fuel economy car bc i used to avg between 465 and 480 miles to a tank of gas, and on 3 occasions i got over 500 miles to a tank of gas... hell driving between NC and FL i used to get about 35-40MPG... around town i was averaging in the city about 25-27... :D

my brother has a 2004 Acura TL with the Sport Package and it drives nice, feels nice but it isnt that nice... i looked at Acura MDX's to trade my BMW in on and i just wasnt impressed with the Acura's i think they are nice cars but i think the best car they make is the TSX...

and by the way i love my CX-7 it has great potential but it just isnt the BMW that i had, it has some pretty good characteristics of a BMW, i mean hell it has a turbo and intercooler with a front strut car in the engine vay and it has the tower brackets for one in the back trunk area, does your MDX have that? NO!!!... they dont call Mazda the German BMW for nothing, and if you read about the new Mazda's they say that Mazda is one of the few Japanese companies that is actually getting anything right when it comes to takin the German's at their own game...

VW has got cool cars and i almost got one but im just not to sold on the idea of FWD i believe that it is useless i say either AWD or RWD none of this FWD crap... BMW is in a different performance class than VW so thats why i didnt add VW in the bang for the buck... another thing a suped up Mustang is better than a BMW? style, class, luxury, RESALE VALUE!!! are not words in the Mustangs vocabulary... dont get me wrong i love American Cars and i like Mustangs a lot but they are no BMW variant, or any other German Car variant, thats for damn sure... you ever talk about what my father gives me and than takes away from me again and i promise you will be sent back to wherever you came from, understand?

you dont know my family life and you dont want to know it is stuff that has literally haunted my life and lifestyle for my 20 years of life... my dad is not a good dad so he gets in good moods and buys me the world and then when he gets in a bad mood even if it isnt because of me he takes everything away from us... i dont claim to know a lot about BMW's but i love them a lot bc the past 330i that i had did something for me that most people would not understand... if you want to know the story you can ask, but i think a pretty good amount of these guys understand who i am and personally i dont really give a **** whether you do or not... you may be friends with Dave but you are no friend of mine got it?

[BallsDeepAsian350]

again pony up and buy one and tell me what you think afterwards... you dont want to know the cars i have had the priviledge to ride in and drive... ok BMW is a good fuel economy car bc i used to avg between 465 and 480 miles to a tank of gas, and on 3 occasions i got over 500 miles to a tank of gas... hell driving between NC and FL i used to get about 35-40MPG... around town i was averaging in the city about 25-27... :D

my brother has a 2004 Acura TL with the Sport Package and it drives nice, feels nice but it isnt that nice... i looked at Acura MDX's to trade my BMW in on and i just wasnt impressed with the Acura's i think they are nice cars but i think the best car they make is the TSX...

and by the way i love my CX-7 it has great potential but it just isnt the BMW that i had, it has some pretty good characteristics of a BMW, i mean hell it has a turbo and intercooler with a front strut car in the engine vay and it has the tower brackets for one in the back trunk area, does your MDX have that? NO!!!... they dont call Mazda the German BMW for nothing, and if you read about the new Mazda's they say that Mazda is one of the few Japanese companies that is actually getting anything right when it comes to takin the German's at their own game...

VW has got cool cars and i almost got one but im just not to sold on the idea of FWD i believe that it is useless i say either AWD or RWD none of this FWD crap... BMW is in a different performance class than VW so thats why i didnt add VW in the bang for the buck... another thing a suped up Mustang is better than a BMW? style, class, luxury, RESALE VALUE!!! are not words in the Mustangs vocabulary... dont get me wrong i love American Cars and i like Mustangs a lot but they are no BMW variant, or any other German Car variant, thats for damn sure... you ever talk about what my father gives me and than takes away from me again and i promise you will be sent back to wherever you came from, understand?

you dont know my family life and you dont want to know it is stuff that has literally haunted my life and lifestyle for my 20 years of life... my dad is not a good dad so he gets in good moods and buys me the world and then when he gets in a bad mood even if it isnt because of me he takes everything away from us... i dont claim to know a lot about BMW's but i love them a lot bc the past 330i that i had did something for me that most people would not understand... if you want to know the story you can ask, but i think a pretty good amount of these guys understand who i am and personally i dont really give a **** whether you do or not... you may be friends with Dave but you are no friend of mine got it?
Im gonna go ahead and attack this piece by piece. Your pride is getting in the way of your very minimal degree of logic. Not once did I say anything bad BMWs or their gas mileage :jerkit: or anything of that nature. You claimed they were the best and I quote "bang for the buck in german car terms" which not only do I disagree with but its untrue.

Secondly, my car is not the one in question so we can throw out all opinions on that. I should also add that I almost fell out of my seat when you said
they dont call Mazda the German BMW for nothing Your saying this about a Ford Company? :rofl:Lets get real. Im sure your CX-7 has some killer struts but come on now. Let me know who called Mazda the "German BMW" and I'll laugh in his face too.

Third of all, you claimed again this bang for the buck idea in the german world. Different class or not VW is still a german vehicle and in turn every vehicle they have is a better bang than BMW. If your in the interest in saving money. I merely named some cars in ever category that blow BMW out of the water when it comes to bang for the buck. End of story.

You are right about one thing. I dont know your personal life. I dont care actually. Dont tell me again to pony up for something YOU DONT OWN. You pony up for it then. Wait, you cant because your not in control of that are you?

I am friends with Dave and there wasnt once inch of me that wanted to be friends with you. My beef with you is that when I post a Mercedes thread, you come right in and sackride BMWs with no sense of logic. Sit back son, and get real. Your own people dont agree with you. I really hope you decide to end this now because I honestly feel bad for how stupid you look.

Have a nice day.

[AwesomeBMW]

Third of all, you claimed again this bang for the buck idea in the german world. Different class or not VW is still a german vehicle and in turn every vehicle they have is a better bang than BMW. If your in the interest in saving money. I merely named some cars in ever category that blow BMW out of the water when it comes to bang for the buck. End of story.
i am saying in more specific terms of the money that people spend on Audi's, MB, Porsche's and BMW's...

[AwesomeBMW]

We wont even talk about economy or any other stupid category because BMW will fall short when we talk about bang for the buck
thats what you said about fuel economy so you talked about it so i answered that you dont know the fuel economy of it

[AwesomeBMW]

You are right about one thing. I dont know your personal life. I dont care actually. Dont tell me again to pony up for something YOU DONT OWN. You pony up for it then. Wait, you cant because your not in control of that are you?

I am friends with Dave and there wasnt once inch of me that wanted to be friends with you. My beef with you is that when I post a Mercedes thread, you come right in and sackride BMWs with no sense of logic. Sit back son, and get real. Your own people dont agree with you. I really hope you decide to end this now because I honestly feel bad for how stupid you look.

Have a nice day.

didnt you say that your mom owns the MDX that you drive??? you may have bought it from her by now... trust me i do pay for everything i get... i paid for my BMW and my Mazda and my first BMW and my Chevy that i had after that... i do pay for my cars... but thanks for trying...

i say things about MB SL500S bc my mom has one and it is nice but it isnt worth the money anyone pays for them i promise you that... so many people say how cool they and they are but they are so blah to drive and they arent that much fun...

[BallsDeepAsian350]

Unreal. You lost. End this already.

[LDadrenaline]

dude I know everyone here loves german cars, but the fact is that one wouldnt buy a 350Z and a 330i for the same thing. Every person has their own likes and dislikes. From a technical point of view the 350Z wins, but depending who you are you might rather the 330i. I understand you love BMWs, but you cant really say that its truly *better* than the 350Z in the arguments that you make. Yes, we love german cars but the winner here is the 350Z

[AwesomeBMW]

Unreal. You lost. End this already.
:rofl: i didnt know that people win and lose arguments over the internet... please you dont know me so you have no idea what you are talking about... i will end it bc im tired of your dumb a$$ responses... you dont have a German car so you have no real idea what im talking about or what most of use are talking about when we say that German cars are something different... that is why we keep going back to them...

[AwesomeBMW]

dude I know everyone here loves german cars, but the fact is that one wouldnt buy a 350Z and a 330i for the same thing. Every person has their own likes and dislikes. From a technical point of view the 350Z wins, but depending who you are you might rather the 330i. I understand you love BMWs, but you cant really say that its truly *better* than the 350Z in the arguments that you make. Yes, we love german cars but the winner here is the 350Z

LD i agreed that performance wise the 350Z wins, but i was saying my buddy doesnt think that BMW's have the "look" as he calls it... im trying to get him to understand what BMW is all about...

[LDadrenaline]

oh yeah i understand that, but i like didnt even read half the arguments cuz i got so tired of em.... im just saying that yes the BMW has its perks, but the 330i and the 350Z arent really the same "category" of car... at least to me.

[AwesomeBMW]

oh yeah i understand that, but i like didnt even read half the arguments cuz i got so tired of em.... im just saying that yes the BMW has its perks, but the 330i and the 350Z arent really the same "category" of car... at least to me.
no they arent but i still think my car with a manual can play with his on the track and thats basically what im really saying and he doesnt think so bc he has a power and weight advantage, but i keep trying to tell him that when it comes to a German car the power and weight doesnt always matter... and plus he doesnt really have as much driving knowledge as most of us do, so i think i could play with him nicely if i had a stick...

[LDadrenaline]

actually the 350Z does have a pretty good stock suspension. Depending on the driver though it matters if they would stick together haha... I think a better comparison wouldve been the 350Z against the M3. That is a good comparison because spec-wise the M3 is better. However the 350Z is cheaper so thats when u can compare price and performance

[LDadrenaline]

also japanese parts are *much* cheaper than german parts, so that kind of closes up everything too. Like I got my sway bars for $150 each and the same kind on a porsche are $300 each..... hence one of the reasons im not getting a german car :)

[BallsDeepAsian350]

:rofl: i didnt know that people win and lose arguments over the internet... please you dont know me so you have no idea what you are talking about... i will end it bc im tired of your dumb a$$ responses... you dont have a German car so you have no real idea what im talking about or what most of use are talking about when we say that German cars are something different... that is why we keep going back to them...

Yes infact arguments can be won or lost. If I really dont know what you or "you guys" are talking about then where are these other guys? I dont see anyone defending you in this matter. You dont have a German car either so YOU have no real idea what you're talking about. Please shut up now.

[LynxZ3r0]

also japanese parts are *much* cheaper than german parts, so that kind of closes up everything too. Like I got my sway bars for $150 each and the same kind on a porsche are $300 each..... hence one of the reasons im not getting a german car :)
The 350Z/G35 totally breaks this "rule."

For some reason, Nissan seems to think that Z Cars deserve the same status that names like "Corvette" have held in the past here in the US.

Go into a dealership asking for a Z part, and you'll get slammed with a huge markup. Go in asking for a generic part from another car that is the same item, and there is no markup.

I think they did a bad thing when they decided to do that.

Edit: And the aftermarket companies do the same thing because of the insane popularity of the car(s). I was shocked to find that suspension for a 350Z is damn near the same price as my car. Turbo kits? More expensive!

[AwesomeBMW]

actually the 350Z does have a pretty good stock suspension. Depending on the driver though it matters if they would stick together haha... I think a better comparison wouldve been the 350Z against the M3. That is a good comparison because spec-wise the M3 is better. However the 350Z is cheaper so thats when u can compare price and performance

idk i think a better comparison would actually be the 350z vs the Z4 Coupe, that is a match made in performance car Heaven to me... i think that would be a damn good battle

[AwesomeBMW]

also japanese parts are *much* cheaper than german parts, so that kind of closes up everything too. Like I got my sway bars for $150 each and the same kind on a porsche are $300 each..... hence one of the reasons im not getting a german car :)

i priced some out for my car for like 125:dunno: i think Dinan sells some for my old 330i for about 150 or 175 not positive anymore though

[AwesomeBMW]

Yes infact arguments can be won or lost. If I really dont know what you or "you guys" are talking about then where are these other guys? I dont see anyone defending you in this matter. You dont have a German car either so YOU have no real idea what you're talking about. Please shut up now.

actually i do still have a German car a 2003 Mercedes Benz SL500 Sport... so nice try and i do drive it a lot bc its my moms and she always tells me to drive the **** out of it so it everything gets its needed workout... ill make a username and post some pix up like im a new member if youd like me too... and i dont think im gonna have this Mazda too long bc the car i had talked about getting after my 330i was the 335i so that comes out in September so maybe by Christmas i will have that and my dad is talking about buying another 2001 BMW 740il M-Sport bc he had one and he get rid of it but hes kicking himself bc that was one of his best cars... so bc you have no German car, "please shut up now" as you so nicely put it...

[Roy]

i priced some out for my car for like 125:dunno: i think Dinan sells some for my old 330i for about 150 or 175 not positive anymore though
I had dinan sways on my 325, front and rear.. Came out to about 850 installed..

They weren't worth it..

[AwesomeBMW]

I had dinan sways on my 325, front and rear.. Came out to about 850 installed..

They weren't worth it..
:eek: thats crazy... they priced out a full Dinan S-2 kit for me in FL for 4,100 bucks...

[LynxZ3r0]

:eek: thats crazy... they priced out a full Dinan S-2 kit for me in FL for 4,100 bucks...

Might as well get some Motons :angel:

[AwesomeBMW]

Might as well get some Motons :angel:
huh???

[LynxZ3r0]

huh???

Moton (http://www.motonsuspension.com/)

Doesn't get better.

[AwesomeBMW]

Moton (http://www.motonsuspension.com/)

Doesn't get better.
well with the 3 cars on the main page it doesnt look like it gets much better hahaha

[LynxZ3r0]

well with the 3 cars on the main page it doesnt look like it gets much better hahaha
I think their 3-Ways are about $5k :boink:

4-Ways are ridiculous and I don't think anyone actually sells them, you'd have to call up Moton directly.

:boink::boink:

Edit: And that doesn't matter what car you drive. Whether it's a Honda Civic or a Ferrari Enzo - It's all the same to produce, so it all costs relatively similar.

[AwesomeBMW]

I think their 3-Ways are about $5k :boink:

4-Ways are ridiculous and I don't think anyone actually sells them, you'd have to call up Moton directly.

:boink::boink:

Edit: And that doesn't matter what car you drive. Whether it's a Honda Civic or a Ferrari Enzo - It's all the same to produce, so it all costs relatively similar.
DAYAMN!!! that sh!ts crazy... if i only had the Bimmer to put them on hahaha

[LynxZ3r0]

DAYAMN!!! that sh!ts crazy... if i only had the Bimmer to put them on hahaha

Worth every penny if you're looking to race. I think Fitz was threatening to put them on his E46 haha... I'd love to see that. :thumbu:

[AwesomeBMW]

Worth every penny if you're looking to race. I think Fitz was threatening to put them on his E46 haha... I'd love to see that. :thumbu:
since technically this is my thread :lol: im going to jack it really quick...

how the M Roadster doing??? any new additions to it?

[LynxZ3r0]

since technically this is my thread :lol: im going to jack it really quick...

how the M Roadster doing??? any new additions to it?

Doin' ok... I've got exhaust goodies sitting around in my living room, but I had to pick up some new tires (275ers! :thumbu:) for the daily driver wheels so I ran out of my play money for this month.

As far as I'm concerned, except for a few little exterior pieces I want to do, the car is essentially "done" until I'm ready to start building the 24psi motor :angel: Sometime next year.

[surina777]

Girls dont always know a whole about cars so most of them would give more looks to you in a 350z, only because the the 330 is a sedan. Not that there is anything wrong with a sedan, because I drive one myself. If it was a 330 coupe though, you'd get more looks.

On the track It would be close, but I honestly would sayt the 350 would probably do slightly better.

Also an Important question, Is the 330 a manual or auto?
....and back on topic....


do girls really like guys for their cars? (thas just stupid if u ask me...since im a female) ugh...hahha and then the question is ... would you really want a girl who only liked you b/c of your car? ... mmm hmm yea...

the 350z is nice...dont like the rims on the 330...i probably wouldnt want to get picked up in either... now...if the 330 had the performance package...it'd be hot ;) my 2cents hahha not that im bias or anything :P......and i know u dont wanna get picked on bout it being auto...BUUUUUUUUT i'd be like wtf it's auto?!?! and hop out ;) hahah j/k ....

[LynxZ3r0]

....and back on topic....


do girls really like guys for their cars? (thas just stupid if u ask me...since im a female) ugh...hahha and then the question is ... would you really want a girl who only liked you b/c of your car? ... mmm hmm yea...

the 350z is nice...dont like the rims on the 330...i probably wouldnt want to get picked up in either... now...if the 330 had the performance package...it'd be hot ;) my 2cents hahha not that im bias or anything :P......and i know u dont wanna get picked on bout it being auto...BUUUUUUUUT i'd be like wtf it's auto?!?! and hop out ;) hahah j/k ....

And your number is what? :thumbu:

Just playin ;)

:drive: :boink:

[AwesomeBMW]

Doin' ok... I've got exhaust goodies sitting around in my living room, but I had to pick up some new tires (275ers! :thumbu:) for the daily driver wheels so I ran out of my play money for this month.

As far as I'm concerned, except for a few little exterior pieces I want to do, the car is essentially "done" until I'm ready to start building the 24psi motor :angel: Sometime next year.
nice stuff bro but OMFG 24psi :eek: :drool:

[AwesomeBMW]

....and back on topic....


do girls really like guys for their cars? (thas just stupid if u ask me...since im a female) ugh...hahha and then the question is ... would you really want a girl who only liked you b/c of your car? ... mmm hmm yea...

the 350z is nice...dont like the rims on the 330...i probably wouldnt want to get picked up in either... now...if the 330 had the performance package...it'd be hot ;) my 2cents hahha not that im bias or anything :P......and i know u dont wanna get picked on bout it being auto...BUUUUUUUUT i'd be like wtf it's auto?!?! and hop out ;) hahah j/k ....

so did we swap genitals yet or what?:rofl: are you sure you're a girl? the only reason my dad would buy me a $42k BMW was if he some way justified that my mom would drive it half the time and my mom cant drive a stick :(

[LDadrenaline]

:eek: thats crazy... they priced out a full Dinan S-2 kit for me in FL for 4,100 bucks...

what is included in the S-2 kit?? Cuz my stuff was $300 for both sways, $250 for springs, $150 for rear strut tower brace... so therefore $700.... If I'd have gotten coilovers instead of springs it would be $1700 for really nice ones... So still only $2150 for all that. Then add steering rack bushings and endlinks (cuz the stock endlinks on the wrx are rubber so they suck) and thats an extra $150. Basically $2300 for an entire suspension.... So yeah, I'd say japenese mods are *much* cheaper lol

[LDadrenaline]

....and back on topic....


do girls really like guys for their cars? (thas just stupid if u ask me...since im a female) ugh...hahha and then the question is ... would you really want a girl who only liked you b/c of your car? ... mmm hmm yea...

the 350z is nice...dont like the rims on the 330...i probably wouldnt want to get picked up in either... now...if the 330 had the performance package...it'd be hot ;) my 2cents hahha not that im bias or anything :P......and i know u dont wanna get picked on bout it being auto...BUUUUUUUUT i'd be like wtf it's auto?!?! and hop out ;) hahah j/k ....

yeah youve got the whole ///M thing going on too. I got in the car and it had the M steering wheel, shift knob, and you had the M gloves on. I was like hmmm I didnt think this was an M...... btw the gloves are badass :woot:

[LynxZ3r0]

what is included in the S-2 kit?? Cuz my stuff was $300 for both sways, $250 for springs, $150 for rear strut tower brace... so therefore $700.... If I'd have gotten coilovers instead of springs it would be $1700 for really nice ones... So still only $2150 for all that. Then add steering rack bushings and endlinks (cuz the stock endlinks on the wrx are rubber so they suck) and thats an extra $150. Basically $2300 for an entire suspension.... So yeah, I'd say japenese mods are *much* cheaper lol
Sometimes it depends on the "quality" of the mods too. Look at the crap they sell for 240SXs - Some of those coilover suspensions are $800.. and some of the truly well-made custom setups built just for the car are a LOT more than well-made custom ones for BMWs.

TCKline D/A Setup w/ Custom Valved Koni Shocks and Your Choice of Spring Rate = ~$2,100 list, they usually sell them for about $600 cheaper though if you call them. Can't really buy better coilovers for BMWs than TCK, without going and picking up Motons. The Bilstein PSS9 is more expensive, but that's not really so much of a "custom" setup, they sell the same coilvers for a lot of cars.

I'll tell you, I spent a little less than $2300 on my suspension including Coilovers, Sways, RSMs, Poly Bushings All Around, and it's better than 90% of what I see on other people's cars, Euro, Jap, or American. I don't believe in Strut Bars, if I did, prolly would have equalled the same cost as the figure you put up there.

If you know WHAT you're shopping for and how to properly build a mixed setup, then it doesn't really matter which car you own. It's when you don't know what you're doing and you buy "staged" kits that you get F'd in the A w/ Euro cars (and a select few Japanese and American cars).

[surina777]

so did we swap genitals yet or what?:rofl: are you sure you're a girl? the only reason my dad would buy me a $42k BMW was if he some way justified that my mom would drive it half the time and my mom cant drive a stick :(

haha ... last i checked, IIRC i'm still a girl hahah

but c'mon...the ultimate driving machine in auto...just doesn't seem right...but i can understand its for your mom :P

is it tiptronic or whatever atleast hehe ...atleast pop a shiftboot on it so it semi looks manual hehhe like titansilber did w/his zhp :P

[surina777]

yeah youve got the whole ///M thing going on too. I got in the car and it had the M steering wheel, shift knob, and you had the M gloves on. I was like hmmm I didnt think this was an M...... btw the gloves are badass :woot:

yea closest thing to a 4door e46 m3 :P hahah which is what i would have loved to have...had they made it... iono how im going to feel about the e90 m3 sedan :cry:

[LDadrenaline]

are you going to feel the need to buy it?? lol seems like ur kinda car

[surina777]

are you going to feel the need to buy it?? lol seems like ur kinda car

iono...not a big fan of the new body styles...a bit longer then i like... i REALLY like the e46....

but the 335....mmmm can't wait to see those on the road

[LDadrenaline]

lol... yeah i dont like the newer body styles either... i mean they only need like another 6 inches onto the E36 a 4 door, and they could already to it with an E46

[AwesomeBMW]

what is included in the S-2 kit?? Cuz my stuff was $300 for both sways, $250 for springs, $150 for rear strut tower brace... so therefore $700.... If I'd have gotten coilovers instead of springs it would be $1700 for really nice ones... So still only $2150 for all that. Then add steering rack bushings and endlinks (cuz the stock endlinks on the wrx are rubber so they suck) and thats an extra $150. Basically $2300 for an entire suspension.... So yeah, I'd say japenese mods are *much* cheaper lol
im sorry it was the S-1 package not the S-2... this is straight from Dinan except the price is a little over what i ws quoted down at Bert Smith...

Price:$4675.00

Labor Units: 170.0
Emission Status: 50 State Emission Legal
List of Included Items: Stage 3 Engine Software; High Flow Intake; Free Flow Exhaust; High Flow Throttle Body; Performance Automatic Transmission Software; Strut and Shock Tower Braces; Stage 1 Suspension System; Signature Series Floor Mats; Serial Numbered S1-330 Plaque; Dinan Deck Lid Badge
Special Notes: .
Peak Horsepower: 240 @ 5900 rpm
Peak Torque: 224 lb/ft @ 3500 rpm
Point Value: 10

The Dinan S1-330 takes the engine's performance a notch higher by incorporating the High Flow Throttle Bodies for even more punch and crisper throttle response. In addition to faster acceleration the S1 program adds the Stage 1 Suspension System, comprised of fully matched performance springs and rebound-adjustable Koni shocks and struts, for tight and predictable cornering, while maintaining civilized ride quality. The rear Shock Tower Brace is also included, adding chassis rigidity to the rear of the cars as well. The Dinan S1-330 combines significant power gains with an absolute transformation of the car's handling capabilities that is sure to please the most demanding driving enthusiast.

[AwesomeBMW]

haha ... last i checked, IIRC i'm still a girl hahah

but c'mon...the ultimate driving machine in auto...just doesn't seem right...but i can understand its for your mom :P

is it tiptronic or whatever atleast hehe ...atleast pop a shiftboot on it so it semi looks manual hehhe like titansilber did w/his zhp :P

it was Steptronic... i always kept it in Sport mode and sometimes i would use the manual mode... at least i can say that i was able to bark my tires pretty well in the manual mode which is hard as sh!t, OMG in that automatic is so damn hard to get the rear tires to break loose off the line, i turned all of the DSC and the back up braking sytems and it was almost impossible seriously...

[AwesomeBMW]

yeah youve got the whole ///M thing going on too. I got in the car and it had the M steering wheel, shift knob, and you had the M gloves on. I was like hmmm I didnt think this was an M...... btw the gloves are badass :woot:
hey ive got an M style steering wheel and ive got Motorsport rims too c;mon guys now im feeling left out:cry:

[SlickShift]

This thread is :stoopid:

[LynxZ3r0]

This thread is :stoopid:

I <3 http://www.fridaythrowdown.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/boobies.gif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O83q46EdsrI)

[David A]

hey ive got an M style steering wheel and ive got Motorsport rims too c;mon guys now im feeling left out:cry:

:confused:

You don't have your car anymore...why can't you get that through your head.

You sound like some BMW fanboi that makes the rest of us look bad...

Check out this site...they will love you there...

www.e46fanatics.com :roll:

[Roy]

:eek: thats crazy... they priced out a full Dinan S-2 kit for me in FL for 4,100 bucks...
I had the Dinan Stage 1 suspension, shocks, struts, springs.. Then I purchased the sway bars after.. I didn't feel the need for strut bars, since I always found them to be quite a nusance while in the engine bay, and trunk. And since I don't find the need to do 75 miles an hour straight into a 90 degree corner, I found strut bars, especially from Dinan wasn't worth it... At that time at least..

I did however, end up changing out the Dinan springs and put in some Eibach Sportlines to lower the car. The Dinan suspension increased the handling, but left the rear end jacked up on my car.. So I wanted a lower height, I got those springs, adjust the Koni shocks/struts that came with the Dinan package, and I was happily set..

I'd never do Dinan suspension again though, any part. Although nice, for the same price you can get a very nice suspension set up. I dropped about 3 G's into suspension in parts alone on my previous 325..

:cheers:

[BallsDeepAsian350]

:confused:

You don't have your car anymore...why can't you get that through your head.

You sound like some BMW fanboi that makes the rest of us look bad...

Check out this site...they will love you there...

www.e46fanatics.com (http://www.e46fanatics.com) :roll:

:lol:

[LDadrenaline]

wow you guys are getting vicious wtf

[AwesomeBMW]

:confused:

You don't have your car anymore...why can't you get that through your head.

You sound like some BMW fanboi that makes the rest of us look bad...

Check out this site...they will love you there...

www.e46fanatics.com :roll:

dude WTF ive been friends with tons of people on this board for a while and i joined this board with Dave, Jeff, Jack and others bc i liked where they were going but unfortunatly i had to move and i basically lost my car bc of it... i will be getting another BMW soon seriously... i am a BMW fan a huge fan of them bc i feel that they are they make the exact car that most people are looking for but people just look past them more than they ought to bc of MB and i hate that...

i know i dont have my car anymore i just miss it a lot just like if you sold yours and didnt get another BMW you would reminisce about the great times you had in your car also just like i am... again like i said i will get another BMW soon...

[SlickShift]

:confused:

You don't have your car anymore...why can't you get that through your head.

You sound like some BMW fanboi that makes the rest of us look bad...

Check out this site...they will love you there...

www.e46fanatics.com :roll:

:owned:

[David A]

dude WTF ive been friends with tons of people on this board for a while and i joined this board with Dave, Jeff, Jack and others bc i liked where they were going but unfortunatly i had to move and i basically lost my car bc of it... i will be getting another BMW soon seriously... i am a BMW fan a huge fan of them bc i feel that they are they make the exact car that most people are looking for but people just look past them more than they ought to bc of MB and i hate that...

i know i dont have my car anymore i just miss it a lot just like if you sold yours and didnt get another BMW you would reminisce about the great times you had in your car also just like i am... again like i said i will get another BMW soon...

I understand this site if for german car "enthusiasts"...but you take it way too far. Sorry for getting on you so hard earlier, but seeing crap like that ignorance just pisses me off...

Anyway, good luck on finding a new car and don't be so closed minded in the future...you'll make yourself look like a fool...as you have in this thread.

[AwesomeSL]

I understand this site if for german car "enthusiasts"...but you take it way too far. Sorry for getting on you so hard earlier, but seeing crap like that ignorance just pisses me off...

Anyway, good luck on finding a new car and don't be so closed minded in the future...you'll make yourself look like a fool...as you have in this thread.

David i understand where you are coming from but please dont tell me what annoys you with me bc you have no idea why i love BMW's so much and you wont understand nor care... im not ignorant i just know it all :D hahaha im jk... no i dont feel that im ignorant about this situation bc i love the Z's, im not saying that my car is better im trying to get my friend to look at BMW's bc i know that he would love them he just doesnt know as much about cars as me and he is very biased as am i but im trying to get him to realize bc he wants just simply a fast and flashy car and i keep telling him that if he wants fast and flashy buy a MB or a Porsche but if you want something that will get attention but be a sleeper which is in some ways what he wants then buy a Bimmer...

im not close minded by the way that is why i do like my Mazda i like all cars just i think BMW's fit me perfectly to who i am and i am sorry to everyone for the way i come off but this is who i am and if you dont like it then im not trying to be a d!ck but dont pay attention to it... i started this thread with my buddy so you cant say that my views are directly in your way...

i do dislike the way MB does things with their cars and i dislike what kind of people drive Mercedes, i just want to say OMG you douche money isnt everything in a car or anything else...

i would like to understand your meaning when you say i take it way too far?

[kelso]

wow...the original meaning of this thread was answered long ago and then it spun off into the dumbest arguments i think i ever saw. now its time to chime in on some of it! first- i think you meant mazda is the Japanese bmw not the german bmw. second german parts are really not all that much more, not nearly enough to sway my decision in buying a car. to me it seems like just a few bucks extra here and there. its like people look up the cheapest japanese parts and the priciest german parts and go seeeeeee german parts are way more all the time! 3rd you both need to shut the hell up because your both making very stupid arguments. i dont see bmw as the best bang for the buck because the sticker prices are generally high but i would view them as (possibly) the best mixture of all the elements people look for in vehicles. my car is pretty good with gas, sporty, a bit luxurious, and is a phenomenal daily driver so the practicality is there too. im a bit undecided on the newer cars but for the most part the styling is great too.

[LDadrenaline]

yeah good point, i actually forgot that this was the 350z vs 330i thread....

[BallsDeepAsian350]

i do dislike the way MB does things with their cars and i dislike what kind of people drive Mercedes, i just want to say OMG you douche money isnt everything in a car or anything else...

i would like to understand your meaning when you say i take it way too far?

Dude. Honestly you make no sense. You obviously hate mercedes because you murdered my other thread about them but here you are with your new Mercedes SN? You dislike what kind of people drive them but your mom has one. This is a german enthusiast site and you seriously rip on every german make other than BMW. How do you think the people with MB or VWs or whatever feel when you make comments like that? You have to have an open mind and respect that people might not have the same tastes as you. Someone can feel the same way about their Mercedes that you feel about your BMWs. Its ok to have an opinion but you're down right rude about it.

[AwesomeSL]

Dude. Honestly you make no sense. You obviously hate mercedes because you murdered my other thread about them but here you are with your new Mercedes SN? You dislike what kind of people drive them but your mom has one. This is a german enthusiast site and you seriously rip on every german make other than BMW. How do you think the people with MB or VWs or whatever feel when you make comments like that? You have to have an open mind and respect that people might not have the same tastes as you. Someone can feel the same way about their Mercedes that you feel about your BMWs. Its ok to have an opinion but you're down right rude about it.

and once again you have to try and instigate a fight... this time all im saying is that most people including my mom do not understand the amount of great craftsmanship goes into German cars and for the record i never said anything about VW i think they make great cars and i love Audi, i just do not prefer most of the modern MB cars bc of certain things... hell LD says the same damn thing...

i think MB is a great company, they have some of the greatest automotive history of all the carmakers... most (not all) people that i know with MB cars only buy them bc of how much they cost just like most people who buy the 5, 6 and 7 Series BMW's... like i said i dislike the kinds of people that just buy a car for the money and most of those people happen to buy Mercedes' bc of how much they cost... most of them do not understand the true art and beauty of that car...

please stop trying to instigate fights with me... if you dont like what i have to say than dont pay any attention to it nor respond to it... the less you say the more we all get along on FG thanks... :germanflag: FTW!!!

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time to close my thread... will anyone ban FLAsian? he obviously isnt welcome