New Old Porsche

[LDadrenaline]

So, I'm looking at trying to get an old 70's porshce as my next car. My dad owns one so he thinks that they cost too much to repair. Only thing we would need to do would be buy parts though, because he knows how to work on the car inside and out. I don't know too much about german cars, or cars in general though lol. What I need to do is start making a list of reasons why an old porsche would be a better investment than some newer other car. Only things I've come up with so far is that its german, reliable, we know how to work on them, and they don't have too much hp (because he said he wanted to get me a car with less hp this time lol). Specifically I'm looking for a 1970-1980 914 or 911, but preferably a 914. I know they look like a cow with 4 asses, but they handle well and it would be a great track car...

so basically I need more reasons to get the car lol :thanks:

[kelso]

old porsches are freakin sick thats reason enough! they are kinda rare so rare= good investment. youve got them in the household so you know how they drive. and if your considering buying one, that means you like the way they drive. oldschool porsches are just awesome dude, i think its a better idea than a new car.

[Variance]

Yeah, the 914 would definately be a better choice than the 911. Older 911's are twitchy cars, and you'd probably end up killing yourself, regardless of how much power it has. One big thing, though. Porsche didn't start galvanizing their cars until the 80s, so 914's have big problems with rust. They're really simple cars, though, so it'd not too big a job to replace the floorpans, if you know what you're doing.

[LDadrenaline]

Yeah I mean my dad has a 911 that he races and a 911 that he takes to the track for driver eds so he can take students with him.... It's funny when he says he wants more understeer because the understeer on my car had been so bad. I'd have to ask him about the rust thing though. Found a great 74 targa with alot of work done to it and alohttp://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=25&paId=199726356&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=6&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_41_%7CB-20000%7CH-%7CD-_386_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CY-_1974_%7CX-antique%7CZ-33609&aff=nationalt of new engine/tranny work. Carpet and interior looked almost new too.

[Panzer_M]

what about a 924S or 944

[LDadrenaline]

I think the 924 was the porsche made with VW parts so HELL NO(!!!!!!) lol. My dad said they were the junky porsche lol. 944s are pretty good cars too........if you get the turbo, which I'm sure he wouldn't let me get. Besides I'm really going for handling here so I'd love to have a 911 or 914. Only thing is I don't really like the feel of the transmission on old cars. Maybe because the only one I've driven is my dad's and his sucks, but I really didn't like the feel of it. I just need alot of reasons I can use to get the car lol. I'd love to rock a 2000-2400 lb 914

[Variance]

Haha, if you're really going for handling, then a 924 or 944 is the way to go. Dr. Porsche himself said that it was one of the best handling cars that had ever created when it was released. Also, yes, the 924 was made mainly from the VW/Audi parts bin. However, the 924S has the same lighter body as the other 924's, but it has the 944's pure-bred Porsche engine. The original 924 had a van engine... XD.

Edit-Although, yes, if you take weight into consideration, 914's will own all. but then again, the engine sucks, so it has to be light.

[LDadrenaline]

Oh hahahaha... I could read all this stuff because my dad bought the $150 total history of porsche huge ass book collection.... but that would take too long rofl

[Gator911]

Whats your budget?

-Keith

[LDadrenaline]

Low... lol I'm assuming probably under 18 grand. In total because of having to make car payments and insurance for a year and stuff we lost about 5 grand... so seeing that insurance gave us 21 grand for the car minus 15 grand, that's how much money we have to spend on the car. Seeing that everyone pays for insurance I take off 2-3 grand and arrive at around 18.... Now 18 is high and I'm trying to look under 15.

[Variance]

Yeah, Porsche books tend to talk down on the 924/944. In actuality, it's the car that saved Porsche from bankruptcy in the 70s-80s.

[Panzer_M]

I think the 924 was the porsche made with VW parts so HELL NO(!!!!!!) lol. My dad said they were the junky porsche lol. 944s are pretty good cars too........if you get the turbo, which I'm sure he wouldn't let me get. Besides I'm really going for handling here so I'd love to have a 911 or 914. Only thing is I don't really like the feel of the transmission on old cars. Maybe because the only one I've driven is my dad's and his sucks, but I really didn't like the feel of it. I just need alot of reasons I can use to get the car lol. I'd love to rock a 2000-2400 lb 914

the 914 was a VW porsche.

the 944 had 50/50 weight and a good engine and the Turbo models can be mad quick, the 924 is decent fun and cheap.

[JCapelo]

wahooo you considered what i said.....

Now take ur time and get a nice one, dont just jump on the first one you see

[kelso]

you said it yourself, your dad knows them inside and out so maintenance is not a problem for you guys.

one of my personal favorite porsches is the 930 911 turbo. the big whale tail and wide ass rear fenders.... the whole car is just sick looking but id have to get hardtop no matter what

[TheDarkSide]

Hell yeah LD, German FTW. We might even start giving you less crap.....naaaaah.

[LDadrenaline]

the 914 was a VW porsche.

the 944 had 50/50 weight and a good engine and the Turbo models can be mad quick, the 924 is decent fun and cheap.

Was the 914 really a VW porsche?? I didn't know that... I mean I know the 914s are mad sick handling wise and that's why I want one. My dad and all the other 911s spend all race trying to keep up with the 914s that have the same motor and better handling lol.

[kelso]

porsche and VW share a lot of designs. vw's are good cars . i could be wrong but i think vw was the first ones to mass produce that electric spoilers that automatically raise and lower depending on your speed(corrado). this was on porsches a few years later.

vw toureg= porsche cayenne or w/e.
vw also shares parts with their sister company audi and newly purchased lamborghini, and also created the bugatti veyron. id buy a porche made with vw parts any day

[LDadrenaline]

Porsche and VW shared alot of designs, but the parts are different. Yeah the touraeg and Cayenne were made on the same platform and until one of the lasts design steps were the same. Porsche went its way with performance, and VW went with a more "rugged" version

[silver-e34]

the only older porsche i woul get is either 928s4 or 928gts the have lots of room for more power

[TheDarkSide]

the only older porsche i woul get is either 928s4 or 928gts the have lots of room for more power

:thumbu:

[LDadrenaline]

Okay so my dad just got home from watkins glen.... and he said








HELL NO! and I was like WTF... Apparently insurance will be way too much because it's classified as a "2 door sportscar"

[TheDarkSide]

Just call your insurance and get an actual quote.

[Variance]

Supercharged 928 S4 GTS=godly.

[Panzer_M]

how old are you again?

BMW 325i e30 or e36

sporty, and not a 2dr sport car.

It's a sport saloon, so it's not so bad.

my first car was a A2 VW Jetta Carat, decent sporty first car.

[Variance]

I think LD's 17...

[TheDarkSide]

new 335 ;)

[silver-e34]

Supercharged 928 S4 GTS=godly.:cheers: :alright:

[LynxZ3r0]

I still stand by my original post mere weeks after your accident -

Porsche 944 Turbo or bust. :) Just leave the motor stock (217bhp - 240something if you are lucky enough to get your hands on an S, which is unlikely.) and learn it well.

Fight tooth and nail for one of those, I would. :)

[LynxZ3r0]

Oh, and PS: I would swap out a nice modern interior for a comfortable ride. ;) But I'm a little bit crazy.

Leave something stock... in my garage? Hell no.

[JCapelo]

Leave something stock... in my garage? Hell no.


love the way you think Jake :cheers: :bow:

[LDadrenaline]

Yeah my dad said hell no cuz of insurance and cost of parts. Insurance I'm going to call up and get a quote, but parts he's right... 1970s porsche parts are 4 to 5 times more expensive than my japenese parts were. The 911 I really liked had a rebuilt 2.7 litre in it, and he had the same engine in his. He said they always pulled the studs at high mileage so I guess that's a no. And again he said parts prices are WAY too high on the old porsches :(

[LynxZ3r0]

Yeah my dad said hell no cuz of insurance and cost of parts. Insurance I'm going to call up and get a quote, but parts he's right... 1970s porsche parts are 4 to 5 times more expensive than my japenese parts were. The 911 I really liked had a rebuilt 2.7 litre in it, and he had the same engine in his. He said they always pulled the studs at high mileage so I guess that's a no. And again he said parts prices are WAY too high on the old porsches :(

Got a job? ;)

There's a reason I work my ass off.. to fund my stupid and meaningless obsession. But it makes me smile when I drive home ;)


love the way you think Jake

Hell - I've got modded ramps! Who the Hell mods their ramps? WTF can you do to them?! YOU DRIVE UP ON THEM AND THAT'S IT! WTF??? LOL :lol:

I'd mod the damn lawnmower if it weren't old and ready to explode!

[///Mental]

Got a job? ;)

There's a reason I work my ass off.. to fund my stupid and meaningless obsession. But it makes me smile when I drive home ;)



Hell - I've got modded ramps! Who the Hell mods their ramps? WTF can you do to them?! YOU DRIVE UP ON THEM AND THAT'S IT! WTF??? LOL :lol:

I'd mod the damn lawnmower if it weren't old and ready to explode!

A.) whats a job?
B.) I want a lawn mower to mod.
C.) everyone has a stupid meaningless obsession or two..:)
D.) LD, you'd be suprised sometimes, my m3 is less insurance than my v6 mutsang was and has almost double the horsepower, and its RED.. oh noes. Call up, because the p-car might actually be SAFER than the subi. you never know insurance companies are wierd sometimes..

[TheDarkSide]

:ditto: On ins. = weird

[silver-e34]

you gotta pay the price if you really want it now if you are not the one paying than i wouldnt complain or bitch too much and get what you get

[LDadrenaline]

Oh, I'm not bitching... I'm just saying that he knows how to fix anything on the car that we'd only need to buy parts. I'd be fine with another wrx wagon but I kinda want a german car lol

[LynxZ3r0]

*Thread Closed* (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/3-series-1988-BMW-M3-Red-Black-interior_W0QQitemZ4653023777QQcategoryZ6131QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[kelso]

apparently you missed the "210K miles" part.

but e30 m3 = godly. i hear parts are expensive on those too, but 6 grand is a good buy.... but the miles are killer... and its in MD

[LynxZ3r0]

Find me a 1988 car that doesnt have a lot of miles. Besides, who cares about the miles? Engine was rebuilt - Suspension bushings and parts can be refreshed or replaced easily enough. As long as there were no wrecks, I would never shy away from a high mileage car. ;)

[RPM Photography]

Find me a 1988 car that doesnt have a lot of miles.

I even got you a nice BMW. HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1988-BMW-M6-Coupe-10K-Original-Miles_W0QQitemZ4652133939QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6131QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I'm just being a dick because you didnt go karting, lol. :cry:

[kelso]

ive seen a few e30 m3's will low milage, but of course nowhere near that price. thats the highest milage one ive seen i think. some people trust miles, some dont...

if i had money to spend, id probably still consider this car, even though i like low miles

[LynxZ3r0]

Yes, yes.. but look at the difference in price. I can find you an 88 M3 with 20k miles on it, but it will cost $25k+.

Drop 6-10k on that one, and have another 15k to build an Evo 3 motor and swap in some new interior bits and get a decent suspension setup.

[LynxZ3r0]

some people trust miles, some dont...

Hehe, never understood why people do that actually. When I went sideways into a curb I was told, unequivocally, by at least a dozen people, "It will NEVER drive right again."

To which I said, "How do you figure that? If I replace everything that is broken, logic states that it will drive exactly the same as before."

They never could answer that one, just kept spouting the gospel that it would NEVER drive right again.

I can tell you for a fact it drives just as good after repair.

It all depends on the person working on the thing - If you take your time and do things RIGHT, nothing matters except that it has a straight frame. To me, that car needs a full suspension rebuild and a full interior refresh (I would personally swap in E36 Vaders and an E36 Dash for cost effectiveness and "pretty" factor).

Sorry for the long tangent ;)

[kelso]

logically your right. but if you go ot some guys house trying to buy his car and he says yeah i hit this and that but its all fixed... how ocmfortable qould you feel buying that car. its one thing when you do the work, but i wouldnt trust some other guy ya know. you i might trust because you really seem to know your ish, but not some random guy ....

on a totally different note, i was on autotrader and those old 944's and 928's are CHEAP! price is relative, and some are pretty rough, but honestly some were under 2 grand. theres also some nice ones on there for higher prices of course. and some other models too

[LynxZ3r0]

True, true.

And yes, 944s are ridiculously cheap. Even the turbo models go for VERY reasonable prices. In all honesty, if I were 17 and wanted a 944, but couldn't afford parts... I'd do something crazy and throw in a cheaper motor/drivetrain and then the only expensive parts you have to worry about are suspension and brake related.

IIRC - Anything from an SR20DET to a small block Chevy will fit in the 944 engine bay w/o much if any work at all.

Edit: Now that I think about it, actually, an SR20 powered 944 would be a fun project car to build. Maybe throw that on the "future projects" list instead of the 240Z ;)

[kelso]

i loathe the sr20. ca/rb series ftw in that category
240z project would be fun. do it.do it.

[LynxZ3r0]

Why would you pick a CA over an SR? Essentially the same motor with less displacement. I think the KA is the best engine of them all, it just isnt turbo from ze factory.

RB is a godly engine, but I would actually like to build a sweet little 4 banger. Ive had a small block Chevy, Ive got a turbo straight 6.. never built a 4 banger.

240Z has been on my "to do" list for years - I always seem to find something else to throw my money at though.

[Variance]

Jake, I want to grow up to be like you... XD

[LynxZ3r0]

Jake, I want to grow up to be like you... XD

:shhh: I might get a big head. :cheers:

[Cosmos_E36_M3]

being that I am a vw guy at heart and if I was to ever buy an older porsche it would be really old school I wonder if you ever considered something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1955-356-California-Widebody-Speedster-Racing-Replica_W0QQitemZ4653449217QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6428 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I know its not the real thing but it is cheaper and just as sweet

[Variance]

LD would'nt look right in a 356. At all.

[RPM Photography]

Man I love the look of the 356 Speedsters with the top up!

[LDadrenaline]

being that I am a vw guy at heart and if I was to ever buy an older porsche it would be really old school I wonder if you ever considered something like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1955-356-California-Widebody-Speedster-Racing-Replica_W0QQitemZ4653449217QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6428 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I know its not the real thing but it is cheaper and just as sweet


mmmm sexy... I like 356s, but if I ever decided to run it in HSR, I think it has to be the real thing not a replica :cry:

[kelso]

i originally planned a CA18det swap in my 240 then decided on turbo KA then decided fook this im gonna get what i always wanted. e36 ftw.

basically the sr20 is all hype in my opinion and really more like a honda engine. high horsepower and kinda low torque. they arent all that strong in comparison and have heating issues. the ca18det is essentially the same design as the rb series. they are very strong motors, iron block, and never any trouble with them that ive heard of, most people say they are a free revving engine where as the sr seems a bit watered down i guess.

the KA is a remarkably bulletprrof engine. i drove mine with nearly no exhaust for years. the last 3 months i lost 4 header bolts and my exhaust gasket was blocking the flow, and it leaked oil since day 1. never broke down. the kid i sold it to has since put on exhaust and header bolts and a new gasket and its perfect. if i ever get another, turbo KA is a must. and it was a single cam hehe

[Variance]

The KA's a freaking truck engine, of course it's bulletproof... XD

[LynxZ3r0]

Yep, the KA was always my favorite engine, however - I spent about a week in Hong Kong doing the tourist thing after leaving the teaching job in China - During that week, I ran into an absolutely amazing S14 - The guy was running some crazy crap, and it sounded better than almost any street car I've ever heard. It also ran like greased aisle ****.

Never knew the CA was built more like the RB/KA motors, I always heard it marketed as a watered down SR for the Canadian market :p

And like you, if I ever owned a 240, a turbo KA would be my 1st choice. Unless I happen to move to Japan... then it'll be stock daily driver S15 or bust.

[LDadrenaline]

okay, so I called up my insurance company and to get the same car (2004 wrx wagon) it would be $322 a month :thumbd:

To get a 1987 944 turbo, it would be $324 a month.... :thumbu:

So, now that I told me dad this he's like "uhhhhhh, well we may just get you the 2.5rs wagon now so insurance will be lower." In case you don't know, that is a 165 hp, 3200 lb car. I'm gonna try to keep working it with the 951, since it's only $9k and 100 miles away... :drool:

[TheDarkSide]

Good call. Work more for zee-germans! :germanflag:

[kelso]

hey ld what do you think of vw's? get a corrado slc( vr6 engine). yes its fwd but its a very fun car, sounds AMAZING, and they handle good too. plus its got to be the sexiest vdub created

oh btw the CA engines were the predecessors to the sr20. they came in the 89 and 90 s13's in all countries except america of course. its really a great engine and completely pwns the sr20 in my opinion. sr's are really just so popular due to the drifting scene and fast and fuious comment. like i said, its more or less all hype and not all that great, but whatever.

[LDadrenaline]

fwd :thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd:

[JonnyChimpO]

fwd :thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd:
:jerkit:

[TheDarkSide]

How about R32?

[kelso]

out of his price range. they are still up there in the 20 to 30 thousand range i think

[TheDarkSide]

ooooh, what is the price range again?

[kelso]

i think like 15 or something like that. a corrado in good condition would cost maybe around 5 grand, including some mods i bet, and then you could turbo or supercharge it easily and have a sick ass car.

[Variance]

Only thing is if he would go for FWD, Corrado's are pretty rare. I used to be looking for one before I discovered the greatness of RWD.

[LynxZ3r0]

I stick by my original suggestion. 944. RWD > All (Except in the Snow).

And good news on the insurance. In all honesty, it doesn't matter WTF you get, your insurance will be sky high. How old are you, again? My insurance was RIDICULOUS until I hit 21, then it dropped like a damn rock. $300 in all honesty is not bad at all for a teenage driver, I think I was paying a little more than that and I was driving a $600 1990 Ford Tempo.

[aeryk7]

930 turbo slope nose 0wnz j3r m0mm4s p4nti3s

[kelso]

my insurance is around 150 a month. thats even killer for me....

[Variance]

I also stand by my reccomendation of the 944, although it might seem to be a bit reckless. LD's not used to RWD, and the 230 HP of the Turbo might be a bit much for him for a while. Then again, there his is dad, who'll teach him how to drive it properly... hopefully...

[g-50cab]

Not my car - but a nice example - and the SC is pretty bulletproof, is galvanized, an will hold it's value.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=309292

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads9/DSCN65291160689884.jpg

The aircooled cars are simplier to work on, less electronics - and typically the engines last longer.

[TheDarkSide]

:woot: I like it :)

[LDadrenaline]

porsches are great cars, i wish i had gotten one. ill send this to my dad but i highly doubt he wants another track car. especially seeing he has one thats basically the same but better

[DeafBimmerDude007]

i believe your name is LD... yes Porsche are soo awesome.. i will get one later on whenever i feel like i want a different german cars and try new things...

LD i hope you're getting Porsche and it would be great if you have one... Good Luck LD:cheers:

[LDadrenaline]

lol this thread is like 6 months old... this was when i was deciding on a new car. didnt get a porsche cuz my dad didnt want to spend the money on german parts

[944attack]

g-50cab... welcome to Florida German! Did you hear about the site from my post on Pelican Parts?

[Mr.bimmerPuck]

say bye to subi and hi to porschy

[Mr.bimmerPuck]

g-50cab... welcome to Florida German! Did you hear about the site from my post on Pelican Parts?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

im so bord:alright:

[944attack]

lol i had no idea it could be so funny....... ?

[LDadrenaline]

lol me neither

im driving my dads porsche at homestead this weekend. im not a big fan of the rear engine rwd thing lol

[g-50cab]

g-50cab... welcome to Florida German! Did you hear about the site from my post on Pelican Parts?

Could be - or maybe Tampa racing - not sure


lol me neither
... im not a big fan of the rear engine rwd thing lol

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads9/drive1165265363.jpg

j/k

[g-50cab]

and a picture of my -50 cabriolet

For Show
http://www.pelicanparts.com/pmpre/images/Jeremy964/123_car5.jpg

For go
http://www.pelicanparts.com/pmpre/images/Jeremy964/TRACKPIC1.jpg

[AwesomeBMW]

q-50 welcome to FG... very nice 911 :drool:

[LDadrenaline]

car looks good! you coming to the PBOC in homestead this weekend?

[g-50cab]

sorry, wife is going out of town so I have kid duty.

[TheDarkSide]

Damn, I miss my verts :(

[porobinsche]

Me, i'd just be glad to drive it~:clap:

[SlickShift]

Welcome :wave: Nice cab!

[copsknowme]

the 914 was a VW porsche.

the 944 had 50/50 weight and a good engine and the Turbo models can be mad quick, the 924 is decent fun and cheap.

944attack would also agree that 944s are excellent track cars. The previous owner of my 944 used to autocross it constantly and it always made an impression on everyone watching the run. There's lots of restoration and aftermarket goodies for it too, which makes for a great hobby car.

[944attack]

944attack would also agree that 944s are excellent track cars. The previous owner of my 944 used to autocross it constantly and it always made an impression on everyone watching the run. There's lots of restoration and aftermarket goodies for it too, which makes for a great hobby car.
Truuue! :cheers: