new M3 pricing and engine specs

[AwesomeBMW]

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13089

BMW E92 M3 Coupe Pricing

Major Standard Equipment***
4.0L V8 307kW 420Nm (bi-VANOS 3rd gen.) engine
Adaptive Xenon Headlights
Carbon Fiber Roof
SMG III 7-Speed transmission with DRIVELOGIC
18" M Double Spoke Alloy Wheel
18x8F/18x9R with P235/45ZR18 Front, P265/40ZR18 Rear Performance tires.


Invoice $49,117
Base Price USA Port of Entry* $53,975

Vehicle Options List
Metallic paint $475
Nappa leather $1,450
Carbon fiber trim $300
Aluminum trim NC
Comfort Access $500
M Multifunction Seats with Active Width Adjustment $1,900
Front Heated Seats $500 / ZCW
Power Rear Sunshade $350
Head-Up Display $1,000
Navigation System w/I-Drive $2,100
Power Rear Sunshade $350
Rear Park Distance Control $350
19" M Double Spoke alloy wheel $1,750
19x8.5F/19x9.5R with P235/40ZR19 Front, P265/35ZR19 Rear Performance tires.
Logic 7 sound system $1,200
SIRIUS Satellite Radio $595
High Definition Radio $500
Premium Package (ZPP) $3,100
Cold Weather Package (ZCW) $750
6-speed manual transmission NC
Rear Spoiler Deletion NC

more info
http://bmwe92m3.com/default.htm

[M52 POWER!]

411 HP and 310 ft/lbs of TQ, HOLY SMOKES!

[///Mental]

too bad its ugly.... :-/

[M52 POWER!]

too bad its ugly.... :-/

There's not 1 final production model picture released yet. Every spy shot so far has been of a 330 body with nasty boring wheels and ugly ass camo bumpers with black tape everywhere so how can you judge it? :shrug:

[ben]

base price seems too low, and the list of options seem kinda pricey... im thinking more options will be standard or cost less, base price will be higher.. invoice on the e46 m3 was what, 42k? hard to believe this one will only be 7k more...

i just wanna see the final pics of the damn thing :mad:

[Mr.bimmerPuck]

thats bad @SS

[AwesomeBMW]

my options list and price according to above info...

price: $63,150

options: Metallic paint $475
Aluminum trim NC
Comfort Access $500
M Multifunction Seats with Active Width Adjustment $1,900
Front Heated Seats $500 / ZCW
Head-Up Display $1,000
Logic 7 sound system $1,200
High Definition Radio $500
Premium Package (ZPP) $3,100
6-speed manual transmission NC (depends on how good the new SMG will be)

[AwesomeBMW]

BMW needs to lower the cost of some of those options if they really want to beat the RS4 all around... bc that comes standard with almost everything except the $4,100 Premium Package option :jerkit: which is too damn expensive, and the $350 rear side airba option which will hike the base price of $66,720 up to $71,770... so basically if the new M3 comes in fully loaded at $66,000 they are doing excellent but if they go up to $69,000 or more we are in trouble and going to be criticized a lot which idk about you but im tired of the M3 getting criticized for its price and lower level of performance... i want to shove it down everybodys throats including my dads...

[Roy]

Too bad even if it is listed at that price. It won't sell at that price till it's been out for a full year at least. I remember when the first e46 M3's were going for 20,000 over sticker..

[TheDarkSide]

Anyone know how to do ins fraud?

[AwesomeBMW]

Anyone know how to do ins fraud?
huh? :confused:

[Roy]

Anyone know how to do ins fraud?
Everglades.. You got a 50/50 shot.

[TheDarkSide]

:cheers: Gap+full coverage here I come :lmao:

[Roy]

:cheers: Gap+full coverage here I come :lmao:
Either that or 10-20 in Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prision.

[whoyodaddy79]

I would rather have a sunroof, than carbon fiber roof. I like the feeling of the air through my slightly balding head while doin a 100mph on I-4...:drive: :germanflag:

[whoyodaddy79]

I found this pic on Bimmerfest.com. :germanflag:


http://www.bmw-syndikat.de/cgi-bin/bmwuploaded/BMW%201988/news050915m3.jpg

[kelso]

ill take the carbon please
and i think thats an old photoshop

[TheDarkSide]

Yeah, PS

[LDadrenaline]

wow, 400+ hp is insane.... cant wait :)

[SlickShift]

Awesome...I can't wait to drive one :D

[kelso]

anybody considering one?

[SlickShift]

Maybe in like 4 years, if I'm really really lucky. But in the meantime 184hp FTW!

[Revmaster T]

I am not a big fan of the new body styles but I have to admit they drive awesome. We got a 2006 325i with premium and sports package for my wife and I have to say this 3 series drives nicer then any E36 or E46.
I be affraid to test drive a new M3 I probably buy one after the road test.

Thomas

[ben]

I am not a big fan of the new body styles but I have to admit they drive awesome. We got a 2006 325i with premium and sports package for my wife and I have to say this 3 series drives nicer then any E36 or E46.
I be affraid to test drive a new M3 I probably buy one after the road test.

Thomas

Any E46? I'd imagine you forgot to add the E46 M3 exclusion -- I drove an E90 325i for a whole day (not sport package though) and it definitely was not something I'd recommend to someone who wanted a car that was fun to drive. Safe and slow with some nice new features sure, which seems totally appropriate to buy the wife or kids ;)

I have never driven any regular E46 btw ;)

[catchuk]

over 100 hp per liter of displacement, very nice!

[RPM Photography]

Any E46? I'd imagine you forgot to add the E46 M3 exclusion -- I drove an E90 325i for a whole day (not sport package though) and it definitely was not something I'd recommend to someone who wanted a car that was fun to drive. Safe and slow with some nice new features sure, which seems totally appropriate to buy the wife or kids ;)

I have never driven any regular E46 btw ;)


The sport really makes a huge difference in the E90s.

[AwesomeBMW]

The sport really makes a huge difference in the E90s.
yes it does... the E46 wasnt as much of a difference, but the E90 basically if you dont have the Sport Package in the 330i you are basically driving a 325 with just a tad more power, but with teh Sport you get a car that reacts, feels and drives better and faster...

[M3-Namja]

i want one, but not the first year ones, Ill wait till the later year just like my ///M they add the finishing touches

[ben]

i want one, but not the first year ones, Ill wait till the later year just like my ///M they add the finishing touches

You also get more options as standard with the car :)

[TheDarkSide]

I am telling myself I hate it regardless. I cannot tempt myself...

[Orion ZyGarian]

I really do have little love for it at all. Yes I'm incredibly torque biased, but wtf...HP isnt everything and its missing 101 ft lbs. The gap was tollerable on the M3 and the new M coupes...but that--like the E60 M5--is rediculous. I dont like the new M v-engines...the E39 is the only exception. What happened? Save for the awesome E30 M3, they've all been inline 6's in the past...why change now, ESPECIALLY with the release of the 335i's TT direct injection engine?? I guarentee you if they tuned it to its potential it would have more HP and far more tq than the 4.0 V8.

I'm sure I'll like the car overall as a whole, but I'm also sure that for the next decade or so, my favorite M3 will still be the E46.

Thank god the M coupe still uses the 3.2. I'm so glad they didnt drop it.

[TheDarkSide]

It is sad they are getting away from it but V8 and V10 sound more intimidating I guess :dunno:

[AwesomeBMW]

It is sad they are getting away from it but V8 and V10 sound more intimidating I guess :dunno:
well BMW is about to prove with the new M3's V-8 that they can make one with a similar weight and weight balance to the I-6...

[Revmaster T]

Any E46? I'd imagine you forgot to add the E46 M3 exclusion -- I drove an E90 325i for a whole day (not sport package though) and it definitely was not something I'd recommend to someone who wanted a car that was fun to drive. Safe and slow with some nice new features sure, which seems totally appropriate to buy the wife or kids ;)

I have never driven any regular E46 btw ;)

Of course I did not compare it against the M/// ;)

Thomas

PS Lets see how the E46 M compairs to the E92 M, not by looks tough.

[Orion ZyGarian]

well BMW is about to prove with the new M3's V-8 that they can make one with a similar weight and weight balance to the I-6...
But nothing short of a rotary or V12 can beat the balance of an Inline 6.

Plus DOHC V8s, although I prefer them to OHV V8s, are stupid. 4 cams which are like 2 cams cut in half for each bank..plus 2 banks means 2 heads and thus more metal required, and they are harder to work on.

I stand by the Inline 6 as the best engine all around ever produced

[LDadrenaline]

cant beat the balance of an inline six?? Maybe theres something Im missing, but i was under the impression that the boxer engines were the best for weight distribution. They sit flat and keep the center of gravity low

[Orion ZyGarian]

http://experts.about.com/e/s/st/Straight-6.htm
"Straight-6 engines have perfect primary and secondary balance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_balance) and require no balance shaft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_shaft)."

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/at_010424.htm

"It has both primary and secondary balance. Primary balance is when the crankshaft counterweights offset the weight of the piston and rod. Secondary balance is when the movement of one piston balances the movement of another. V6's have a secondary imbalance that causes engine vibration. Adding a counter balance shaft can reduce this imbalance, but that adds weight and complexity."

Here's the website I was looking for though: http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/engine/smooth3.htm

"the vertical and transverse forces generated by individual cylinders, no matter first order or second order, are completely balanced by one another. The resultant vibration is nearly zero, thus inline-6 is virtually a perfect configuration...Ultimately, inline-6 engine is more efficient yet smoother. V6 has more energy loss because it duplicates valve gears and camshafts (which increase frictional loss), while the use of 2 cylinder banks leads to more heat loss. In terms of production cost, although V6 has 3 fewer main bearings, it has more valve gears - which is getting more and more costly these days, with the introduction of twin-cam, hydraulic tappets / finger follower and variable valve timing. Inline-6 is going to be cheaper than equivalent V6."

[TheDarkSide]

LD :owned: boxer engines are ghey!

[LDadrenaline]

it only mentions the V engine though... id like to see it compared to a boxer engine.


and i guess all p-cars are ghey since they use boxer engines

[Orion ZyGarian]

Maybe it wasnt the site I thought it was then...there was one of those sites that said boxers are similar because completely 180* piston strokes balance themselves out..natrually balanced but not quite the same.

Plus a pain in the dick to work on, as well as being heavier than an inline with two separate heads and especially a DOHC, requiring 4 cams. No thanks, Inline 6 IMO is a perfect median between power (big V8) and economy/efficientcy/gas mileage (small 4 banger) with never more than 2 cams (which is just enough by itself). Thus one of the many reasons I chose my MkIII Supra for my first and most important car...and eventually leading me to BMW, the only company left that mass produces Inline 6s (Volvos make them...but FWD usually and theres only so many Volvos with them....there are a few GM trucks with them, but I dont give a damn about trucks and it wouldnt be worth sitting through all the crap GM has to get the occasional I6.


Elsewhere however is a different story. In Japan, the 1JZ, 2JZ, and 1G engines are all still made and put into production cars. In Australia, Ford still makes plenty of their DOHC 4.0T I6 for their Falcons etc. Even then, combining the two is the only way to even get close to how many I6s BMW makes.

[TheDarkSide]

Wow, you taught me a few things.

[Orion ZyGarian]

If you havent learned something or gotten something out of today, then it truely was a waste :)

[LDadrenaline]

ah kk that makes sense now

[Garrett M]

yes it does... the E46 wasnt as much of a difference, but the E90 basically if you dont have the Sport Package in the 330i you are basically driving a 325 with just a tad more power, but with teh Sport you get a car that reacts, feels and drives better and faster...

:roll:


god help you

[AwesomeBMW]

:roll:


god help you
huh?

[LDadrenaline]

i think he's saying youre wrong about what he quoted that you said.....

[AwesomeBMW]

i think he's saying youre wrong about what he quoted that you said.....
oh... now i see, thanks LD...

ive driven the E90 325i, E46 325i, E90 330i, E46 330i, E90 330i Sport, and of course i owned an E46 330i Sport... the E90 325i is a HUGE!!!!! improvement performance wise over the E46 325i... the E90 330i is really nice and has improved power wise over the E46 330i but i think the E46 is a little more comfy and driver friendly... but the E90 330i Sport is OMG!!! so much quicker and such a better car overall than my E46 330i Sport... again like i said the E90 330i is like driving a 325i with more power and a little better performance, but the Sport Package makes a phenominal difference

[TheDarkSide]

I can not imagine. :dunno:

[Garrett M]

oh... now i see, thanks LD...

ive driven the E90 325i, E46 325i, E90 330i, E46 330i, E90 330i Sport, and of course i owned an E46 330i Sport... the E90 325i is a HUGE!!!!! improvement performance wise over the E46 325i... the E90 330i is really nice and has improved power wise over the E46 330i but i think the E46 is a little more comfy and driver friendly... but the E90 330i Sport is OMG!!! so much quicker and such a better car overall than my E46 330i Sport... again like i said the E90 330i is like driving a 325i with more power and a little better performance, but the Sport Package makes a phenominal difference

:roll:

[TheDarkSide]

:cheers:

[AwesomeBMW]

:roll:
go ahead and test drive them and see for yourself what im trying to say...

[TheDarkSide]

:cliffs:

[LDadrenaline]

:flame:

[Garrett M]

go ahead and test drive them and see for yourself what im trying to say...

I've already driven them :roll:

[AwesomeBMW]

I've already driven them :roll:
ok, and do you think im wrong or something? i mean im just stating the things that i observed while driving them...