new e31 owner!!!

[944attack]

MY DAD JUST BOUGHT AN E31!!!!!<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p


Neither he or I can believe he just bought this car, I just woke up this morning and he told me he bought it on ebay for $17k, which is not bad at all. He will have to sell his old caddy eldorado in order to afford it, hopefully he wont have to sell the e24 as well.

<O:p</O:p

So, its a 1993 black on black 850ci, clean title, includes all service records, has upgraded exhaust, spoiler and M wheels. Only bad part is the automatic 4spd tranny, but who cares, it has a V12!!!!!!!!!!

im just really excited, it's in new york so my dad has to fly up there in 2 weeks and bring it down on the train. If any one knows any common problems with these cars or has any suggestions, please feel free to comment or speak up! Check out some pics, and enjoy. I know we will be attending some auto-x's when he gets it! :D


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[prophecy]

looks pretty clean.. 6spd manual swap immediately plz

[944attack]

haha yea, thats the first thing i would change, not doable for right now though, maybe in a year..

[catchuk]

thats f'ing sweet! :clap:

[TheDarkSide]

Antonio
E31 (http://www.floridagerman.com/forums/member.php?u=64)

will chime in. He knows all there is to know about them. I just got off the phone with him and he wanted me to ask you if your (Aunt?) has any 8-series at her place? Gorgeous car! :thumbu:

[Myee]

badass

[JCapelo]

awsome car!!

[928_Supressor]

OK it's official.....I'm jealous....I LOVE the 8 series BMWs. A very sweet ride.

[AwesomeSL]

WOW!!!!!:eek: sweet ride and congrats to your dad for having another child to take care of ;) ... i wish BMW would bring back the 8-Series....

[TheDarkSide]

I do not think bangle could pull off an 8 :shifty:

[AwesomeSL]

I do not think bangle could pull off an 8 :shifty:

i think he could simply bc of the 6-Series and now he is bringing back the Z8... also people are starting to warm up to his designing skills bc he is different and he has a raw presence about his work... i love most of his stuff, i especially love the Miglia Concept car and i think it would be a really cool limited production car to celebrate the old 328 Miglia racers and stuff... i think that Bangle could do an 8-Series bc he worked magic with the 6 and now the M6 from Motorsport is a huge success and he could do the exact same for the 8 and Motorsport could stamp a M8 or 850CSi that would play with the CL55-CL63 AMG cars from Mercedes Benz... trust me man i have this stuff all planned out seriously it could all work... you should seriously sit down and listen to my ideas on how BMW can further take over the world market...

[M52 POWER!]

I love these cars, with all my heart (and penis).

[TheDarkSide]

I am not one of those guys that dislike him. I have not hated any of his designs yet. I just know he likes the nice round butts and round designs and that is not what I think of with 8 series. More sharp and pointy.

[Myee]

bring it out to Auto-X

[Variance]

I just don't think the 8 series would work without pop-up headlights. That's just one of the awesome aspects of its character. Damn though, I'd give anything to have an E31...

[TheDarkSide]

Pop-up is the business.

[AwesomeSL]

I just don't think the 8 series would work without pop-up headlights. That's just one of the awesome aspects of its character. Damn though, I'd give anything to have an E31...

ok well what if they made the headlights in the front for Xenons that are the regular driving lights but the pop up lights are the bright lights? would that work?

[E31]

I have one as you can tell from the sig. Just tell me the symptoms and I will diagnose the problem. If it doesn't work, I use Thomas from Cars & Concepts, he also has one. Congrats on the new purchase!

[Variance]

ok well what if they made the headlights in the front for Xenons that are the regular driving lights but the pop up lights are the bright lights? would that work?

IIRC, pop-ups are illegal on new cars nowadays.

[AwesomeSL]

IIRC, pop-ups are illegal on new cars nowadays.

are you serious?

[collin41899]

nice car!!! i would die to get one but not auto. a 6 speed would definetly be sick

[TheDarkSide]

Is that why the Corvette changed?

[E31]

Pop ups are illegal....but trucks that are jacked up 12 feet into the air are not...go figure. Pop ups are deemed unsafe for pedestrians if they get hit by a car with those lights, but a truck bumper that will hit you in the chest is not unsafe?

[TheDarkSide]

Oh, so it is for real?

[RPM Photography]

Pop ups are illegal....but trucks that are jacked up 12 feet into the air are not...go figure. Pop ups are deemed unsafe for pedestrians if they get hit by a car with those lights, but a truck bumper that will hit you in the chest is not unsafe?


Where can I read about this? Thats COMPLETELY ridiculous.

Reminds me of a Top Gear where Jeremy is talking about the green peace people or whoever. And they got the speed lowered on some country roads from 40 to 30. They said the Common toad was being killed in high numbers or something. Their line was "Speed kills, and it kills more toads." Jeremy was like : "Its not really going to matter how fast you were going when your run over a toad." Then, impersonating a toad "THANKS MATE! I'm alright. Good thing you were only going 30mph in your Land Rover!"

Its not going to matter, if you got hit by a car with its headlights up or down, its still gonna be very bad.

Plus, doesn't anyone think the hood scoop on an STi or hell, even that big pointy cat on the front of a Jag might hurt. Being impaled by a RR Flying Lady might hurt also. :roll:

[kelso]

how are pop ups any more dangerous when your getting hit that makes zeroooooo sense.... top gear mentioned there is only 1 car being manufactred today with pop ups....i remember it was some european car we dont get....maybe a peugot or something....

[LDadrenaline]

wow the car looks super clean! That was a great find!

for problems the only thing i can think of is that if its stock, then it needs to be modified! Need to stick some QTECs on there, and a turbo and a supershcarger (titanium supacharga!!!!!)! and yeah, definately the manual when you can afford it.


oh and about the sti hood scoop, i think they did have that problem in japan jack.... my year ('04) was the last year with the big hood scoops. The ones they have now are much smaller.

[SlickShift]

I honestly think the 8-Series is one of the most beautiful cars produced by BMW. Congrats on the purchase. :clap:

[944attack]

haha wow thanks everyone for all the nice comments! i came back a day later and theres already 2 pages of comments! (and of course pop-up headlight talk).. Im a big fan pop-up headlights, i think they make the car look a bit stealthier, although i dont really like how the 8-series looks when the lights are up:fart:


My dad is going to pick up the car next weekend, so more pics to come soon!!

[Orion ZyGarian]

2004 was the last year popups were made. It was the Lotus Esprit 3.5 V8 TT, and yes U.S. still got it till then.

I think popups died because as Clarkson said "they are heavier, more expencive, and less aerodynamic".

Frankly, all 4 cars I've owned have had popups

[Roy]

Nice car.. 8 series are pimp.

[AarehadC]

Is it true that all US 8-series cars were autos? if so, that's sad

[TheDarkSide]

No, I know the 850csi comes with 6 speed

[E31]

There are auto and manual 8's.

DOT made the popups illegal just because of crash test crap. DOT also states that the bumpers should be 16 inches max off the ground. I will try to ask my cop friend if he knows what the ordinance is for the bumper height. Which goes to another question...why do the good 'ol boy cops not pull over jacked up trucks that are 12 feet into the air? Because they would rather sit in their cars.....and pull us over doing 10 over or because your tint on your BMW is too dark.

I do see however, that the popup lights create more drag and cuts down MPG by 1-2 gallons.

[LynxZ3r0]

Woo! Another E31. I *LOVE* the 850s.

One of these days, I think I may have to get one and massage it into supercar status ;) That smooth V12 just BEGS for a pair of GT30Rs. ;)

[AarehadC]

No, I know the 850csi comes with 6 speed

That's good news!

[TheDarkSide]

Same block as Mclaren F1 right?

[944attack]

Same block as Mclaren F1 right?

from what ive heard, the M8 or 850csi is the same, but im not sure if the 850i and 850ci are the same.. ?

[LDadrenaline]

Woo! Another E31. I *LOVE* the 850s.

One of these days, I think I may have to get one and massage it into supercar status ;) That smooth V12 just BEGS for a pair of GT30Rs. ;)

begs for a VF34 and then a GT35R

sequential= almost no lag= YAYERS!

[LynxZ3r0]

begs for a VF34 and then a GT35R

sequential= almost no lag= YAYERS!
LOL a pair of GT30Rs on a 5.0L V12 would be 0 lag and an easy 1000whp. That's actually a tiny pair of turbos for that motor.

I'd be more worried about the cost of the custom suspension that kind of power would need.. haha.. As far as I'm aware, NO ONE makes off-the-shelf coilovers or pretty much ANYTHING for the 8 series cars...

Antonio, would that be a fairly accurate thing to say? I've been looking around lately - was considering doing an 850 for the "next project" until I realized how much of it would have to be 100% custom built. Don't have the resources for that type of fabrication at this point in my life haha.

The 8s have a LOT of potential for some SERIOUS ground-pounding power, though... Even in stock form they are incredibly nice.. hehe :)

[LDadrenaline]

jake..... what the FU(K do you do at the post office that gets you this insane amount of money to do all this stuff! Like really, whatever that job is I want it. You have a turbo'd m roady, you're thinking of like 2 or 3 project/track cars, and you're building your own paint booth! Tell me your seeeeeecrets!

[LynxZ3r0]

jake..... what the FU(K do you do at the post office that gets you this insane amount of money to do all this stuff! Like really, whatever that job is I want it. You have a turbo'd m roady, you're thinking of like 2 or 3 project/track cars, and you're building your own paint booth! Tell me your seeeeeecrets!

It's a pain to get, but it's good money if you have no expenses (live at home and have your classes paid for).

http://www.usps.com/employment/dataconversionoperator.htm
Then go through there until you get to a list of the exams and scroll down to the Tampa, FL one w/ the Exam # 710 (Clerical Abilities).

Takes between 3 and 12 months to actually get the job, with tests and interviews and training, but $13.60/hour and you can work pretty much anytime during the day or night. It's open 24/7.

[LDadrenaline]

$13.16 an hour.... damm i seems like you get way more than that lol.... do you work like 12-16 hour days or something then??

[kelso]

yea thats good money for living at home.... bright futures ftw too! what tuition?:D

[LDadrenaline]

yeah living at home....about that.... my parents want me to get the fck out asap lol. They already told me I'm not living at home when I finish college

[kelso]

well i dont wanna stay here after college.... i wanna get the **** out now but my only payment is dealing with my parents, and since thats not monetary, ill stick it out

[LynxZ3r0]

Hehe.. I don't mind living at home, and my parents don't mind. I take care of the house and the cats when they go RV'ing all the time.

I'll be out of here after this semester (if everyone does minor things to help me get the classes I need.. jerkoff advisors don't like to do their job at USF)... Flying jets or doing something fun ;)

I only have 1 vice in life.. and it's cars. I don't drink, smoke, or party.. I just build cars. ;)

[AwesomeBMW]

Hehe.. I don't mind living at home, and my parents don't mind. I take care of the house and the cats when they go RV'ing all the time.

I'll be out of here after this semester (if everyone does minor things to help me get the classes I need.. jerkoff advisors don't like to do their job at USF)... Flying jets or doing something fun ;)

I only have 1 vice in life.. and it's cars. I don't drink, smoke, or party.. I just build cars. ;)

hmmm Jake, you and i have a lot in common except my dad doesnt like my obssession with cars, and i dont have a job but i live at home and take care of all of my parents stuff while they are here or away...

[LynxZ3r0]

hmmm Jake, you and i have a lot in common except my dad doesnt like my obssession with cars, and i dont have a job but i live at home and take care of all of my parents stuff while they are here or away...

Hehe.. My Dad was the same way w/ cars when he was young.. he had some awesome friggin cars too.. So I guess he understands ;) He keeps telling me all the time that he NEVER thought I would be a car freak.. I spent the 1st 16 years of my life building cars for other people but never really wanting one for myself. Drove a Ford Tempo for ages and didn't give a rats ass at all.

Then I got a BMW.

Oops :angel:

I guess I just never really had a thing for the American stuff... Vintage American I like, in moderation, but I think I got burned out on it building them for my whole youth. I honestly don't think I'd ever own ANY of the old American cars I like... not for lack of liking, just for the fact that I've built most of them before.

I don't like building the same car twice. It's hard to do things differently, because you know what works best already.

[AwesomeBMW]

Hehe.. My Dad was the same way w/ cars when he was young.. he had some awesome friggin cars too.. So I guess he understands ;) He keeps telling me all the time that he NEVER thought I would be a car freak.. I spent the 1st 16 years of my life building cars for other people but never really wanting one for myself. Drove a Ford Tempo for ages and didn't give a rats ass at all.

Then I got a BMW.

Oops :angel:

I guess I just never really had a thing for the American stuff... Vintage American I like, in moderation, but I think I got burned out on it building them for my whole youth. I honestly don't think I'd ever own ANY of the old American cars I like... not for lack of liking, just for the fact that I've built most of them before.

I don't like building the same car twice. It's hard to do things differently, because you know what works best already.

see my dad loves cars also but he just hates how im so in love with BMW's bc he had a 2001 740iL M Sport that he loved more than anything but he bought me 2 Bimmers and hated how i thought that they were better than everything American... but he doesnt mind me loving old Classics and Muscle Cars the way that i do, but when it comes to the Germans he could care less what i like...

[LynxZ3r0]

see my dad loves cars also but he just hates how im so in love with BMW's bc he had a 2001 740iL M Sport that he loved more than anything but he bought me 2 Bimmers and hated how i thought that they were better than everything American... but he doesnt mind me loving old Classics and Muscle Cars the way that i do, but when it comes to the Germans he could care less what i like...
Hehe.. my car reminds both myself and my Dad of his previous car.. 65 Corvette Sting Ray.. Mmm.. sexy car.. Pain in the ass to drive though. Crappy A/C.. Crappy radio.. Crappy leaking top (it was BRAND new, and leaked like a sieve)...

That's the reason I fell in love w/ it I think.. because that Corvette was the funnest car I ever built... now I've got the "modern" equivalent, imho. Putting down a little less power than the Vette was (about 400whp), but *WAY* better suspension and about the same weight. With all the modern comforts and a top that doesn't leak a drop ;) The modern C4, C5, and C6, just don't compare style and sex-appeal wise to the 60s Vettes, imho... My car on the other hand... follows a lot of very similar lines.

[AwesomeBMW]

Hehe.. my car reminds both myself and my Dad of his previous car.. 65 Corvette Sting Ray.. Mmm.. sexy car.. Pain in the ass to drive though. Crappy A/C.. Crappy radio.. Crappy leaking top (it was BRAND new, and leaked like a sieve)...

That's the reason I fell in love w/ it I think.. because that Corvette was the funnest car I ever built... now I've got the "modern" equivalent, imho. Putting down a little less power than the Vette was (about 400whp), but *WAY* better suspension and about the same weight. With all the modern comforts and a top that doesn't leak a drop ;) The modern C4, C5, and C6, just don't compare style and sex-appeal wise to the 60s Vettes, imho... My car on the other hand... follows a lot of very similar lines.
ya i remember you and i talking on pms that time about you building the old Vette's... now see my dad had 2 67's that were awesome... idk i liked the C5 but I LOVE!!!! the C6 bc it is starting to go back imho to the glory days of the Stingrays of the 60's which i think were the best Corvettes ever built and some of the most beautiful and best cars ever built in general

[LynxZ3r0]

ya i remember you and i talking on pms that time about you building the old Vette's... now see my dad had 2 67's that were awesome... idk i liked the C5 but I LOVE!!!! the C6 bc it is starting to go back imho to the glory days of the Stingrays of the 60's which i think were the best Corvettes ever built and some of the most beautiful and best cars ever built in general

See, I disagree actually.. I do LIKE the C6.. but I don't think you could ever make a modern Corvette have the same visual :eek: effect as the Sting Rays did. Chevy is too busy trying to outdo people who they don't need to outdo (Ferrari, Porsche) and not busy enough offering a truly unique sports car anymore. Now the C6 just looks like a more boxy front-engined version of the Ferrari F430.

[944attack]

ya i remember you and i talking on pms that time about you building the old Vette's... now see my dad had 2 67's that were awesome... idk i liked the C5 but I LOVE!!!! the C6 bc it is starting to go back imho to the glory days of the Stingrays of the 60's which i think were the best Corvettes ever built and some of the most beautiful and best cars ever built in general

To me, the C6 just looks like a redesigned C5. The power and haldling and everything is superb, but the design just doesnt do it for me.


My dad used to be more into cars in his early days, stuff like modding a 70' bug and a very fast RX-2, but i guess after college his passion for cool cars died off. Once i was able to drive and got the 944 a few years ago, he got back into it and got the 633csi. I helped him swap the 635 engine in, but since he's had the car, he loves fixing everything up on it and making it nice. I guess he just got carried away and bought the e31, we dont even have enough money to afford it, but thats what a loan is for!


Update: looks like the e24 is here to stay for a while, he's put a ton of money into it fixing it up, and it's not worth selling. Soo yay it stays!

[LDadrenaline]

how did we get on the topic of corvettes!? I cant even go to sleep without being out of the loop now!

[E31]

LynxZ3r0.....There is a guy that made his own turbo setup and cost him a pretty penny. All custom, but looked wicked. He said that there is virtually no room under the hood to make anything fit. He was able to get some small turbos, custom headers and small intercooler. I think he's making around 500 HP. I would go with a Korman NA built engine that will put out 425 HP off the bat. Mc Laren did use the same block as the V12 8, but made to handle 700 HP.

http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/V12.htm

Corvetts suck! Why would you have a car that would copy the lines of a Viper GenIII after it started losing it's market share and appeal to a Viper? Not to mention that it is a car from a company that is going belly up. The Viper has so much more appeal that a Vette. The only Vette that was worthwhile was a Clam shell 57 and a Sting Ray. I can tell you many stories about disgruntled Vette owners.

[LDadrenaline]

is there any way to modify the engine mounts so you can move the engine back a little bit and fit stuff?? If not, you could just get one of those big a$s 5 liter mustang hoods and it'll leave alot of room to fit stuff :)

[LynxZ3r0]

LynxZ3r0.....There is a guy that made his own turbo setup and cost him a pretty penny. All custom, but looked wicked. He said that there is virtually no room under the hood to make anything fit. He was able to get some small turbos, custom headers and small intercooler. I think he's making around 500 HP. I would go with a Korman NA built engine that will put out 425 HP off the bat. Mc Laren did use the same block as the V12 8, but made to handle 700 HP.

http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/V12.htm

Damn, that Korman V12 looks nice except for one thing.

9.8:1 compression?! :thumbd:

Pump that baby up to 11.5:1 and it would gain a ton of power... I'd also do a little more aggressive cams.. Maybe somewhere in the 280s lift-wise..

Nice loping modified Cobra-esque idle.. tee hee hee.. ;)

Yeah I expected as much w/ the turbos.. It's the same on all BMWs. #1 reason why bottom mount turbos are so much more prevalent in E36 turbocharging - There just isn't a lot of room up top to get the turbo in, let alone the 3" and bigger piping. 500 is a little dissapointing out of a twin turbo setup - The Korman Stg 2 w/ my afforementioned changes would likely crap all over his twin turbo setup dyno and street wise.

What about suspension wise? I did a search on the E31 forum website (link escapes me at the moment) and only found 1 company making off-the-shelf suspension parts, and it looked like they were out of business?

[LynxZ3r0]

is there any way to modify the engine mounts so you can move the engine back a little bit and fit stuff?? If not, you could just get one of those big a$s 5 liter mustang hoods and it'll leave alot of room to fit stuff :)

I'm sure you could tub the firewall and put the engine anywhere you want. That's old school hot rod building 101... Engine mounts don't matter, easily fabricated.

Paying someone to do that, however, is *BIG* money...

[LDadrenaline]

that low compression is just *begging* for massive boost!

[LDadrenaline]

why pay someone to do it?? Lol Im sure you could figure out a way to do it yourself

[LynxZ3r0]

why pay someone to do it?? Lol Im sure you could figure out a way to do it yourself

I know how to do it.. it ain't easy.. an average DIY person could never accomplish it in a timely manner. Even I personally wouldn't attempt it unless I had a dedicated shop with a couple people working for me.

[LDadrenaline]

pssht "timely manner" what is that??

lol yeah moving the engine placement kinda seems like a big undertaking. I was watching SPEED one time though and they put twin turbos on a vette right at the end of the exhaust, one on each side. They said many people don't do it, but it isn't that hard

[LynxZ3r0]

pssht "timely manner" what is that??

lol yeah moving the engine placement kinda seems like a big undertaking. I was watching SPEED one time though and they put twin turbos on a vette right at the end of the exhaust, one on each side. They said many people don't do it, but it isn't that hard

It's called a "remote" turbo setup... STS (I think that's the name of the company) does them for Chevys...

Not efficient, but it works.

If *I* had an 850... I would probably call up Verdi in Sweden and have him build me some 87mm stroke rods... call up someone local and have them build me a custom knife-edged billet crank to fit those long rods.... Up the CR to 11.5:1...

Oh.. Whoops.. What's that.. I just built a 6.1 liter V12? Oh my.. never mind that.. *cough* Mclaren F1 Engine = 86mm Bore 87mm Stroke... 850 Csi Engine = 86mm Bore 80mm Stroke.. *cough*....

Nevermind! ;)

[LDadrenaline]

would it be more effective to up the CR to 11.5:1 than to keep the low compression and get massive amounts of boost (and yeah, twin charge the bish!)

[AwesomeBMW]

LynxZ3r0.....There is a guy that made his own turbo setup and cost him a pretty penny. All custom, but looked wicked. He said that there is virtually no room under the hood to make anything fit. He was able to get some small turbos, custom headers and small intercooler. I think he's making around 500 HP. I would go with a Korman NA built engine that will put out 425 HP off the bat. Mc Laren did use the same block as the V12 8, but made to handle 700 HP.

http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/V12.htm

Corvetts suck! Why would you have a car that would copy the lines of a Viper GenIII after it started losing it's market share and appeal to a Viper? Not to mention that it is a car from a company that is going belly up. The Viper has so much more appeal that a Vette. The only Vette that was worthwhile was a Clam shell 57 and a Sting Ray. I can tell you many stories about disgruntled Vette owners.
Dude, c'mon now Chrysler was in 10 times the amount of trouble that GM is in and now GM is not in the same trouble anymore... Corvettes are great cars and dont ever forgett hat if it wasnt for the Vette the Viper wouldnt be the car it is today bc the Corvette is the first and only true American Sports Car... in my family we have owned over 10 Corvettes and we have never had any problems with them... plus we are going to get a new Z06 and the new Z06 spanks the viper in just about every way so dont be too hateful towards the Vette bc it is the car that created all American Sports Cars...

[LDadrenaline]

i wouldnt say its the first and true american sports cars, but yes, they are good cars now. The vette, the roush stage 3 mustang, the viper, the srt8 charger (omgzzzz it looks beastly), and the ford gt are really the only *current* american cars that can git er done

[LDadrenaline]

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[LynxZ3r0]

would it be more effective to up the CR to 11.5:1 than to keep the low compression and get massive amounts of boost (and yeah, twin charge the bish!)

As already established, turboing is not cost effective. The guy who twined it (likely with GT25Rs or something similar) made ~500whp... From a .. what.. 350hp engine? 200whp from a pair of turbos is ass. If he wasted that much $$ on small turbos, I doubt he would have passed up bigger ones if he could have made them fit somehow.

At that point, a ~600whp N/A motor w/ ultra high compression, lightweight internals, and a custom built head would be so much nicer. You'd have a home-brew version of the Mclaren F1 motor.

[TheDarkSide]

Corvetts suck! Why would you have a car that would copy the lines of a Viper GenIII

http://news.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/Chevrolet-Corvette-C6-Dodge-Viper-SRT10-1-petite.jpg

[E31]

I have a GenI Viper with very light mods. I have done the 1/4 at 12.72 @110 mph on my 3rd time launching it that day. I had street pressure in the tires, roof and windows in, full tank and a passenger. I don't have traction control, but I know I can do better with it if I removed tire spin in 2nd and 3rd. My first time out was awesome.

There is no doubt that Vette had it's time, but the torch has to pass. The Vette is a great buy for the $$, so don't take me wrong....I would rather have a Viper than a car everyone has. When we would park at places, a Vette always parked by us, but NO ONE would even glance at the Vette. Gauk (SP?) factor is Viper hands down. I can always see the Vette owners looking at me from the corner of their eye as not to make eye contact or something, they pretend I'm not near them.

Since Viper was introduced in the market, the Vette lost it's edge, just rehashing their car with different body work. As Dave showed us, the Vette (which came out way after the GenIII) has the same hood, hood scoupe, mirrors, lights, side vents on the car and this is a blatant rip off to try and hold it's declining market share. I will get side by side pics of the new Vette and Viper to show you guys.

Viper started out being a motor and seats, no ABS, A/C, or traction control. As far as that goes, Vette has the upper edge if you want a couch on wheels. The new GTS is bonerfying...hmmmm

[944attack]

i agree with just about everything said above ^^, not because this guy has an e31 and im trying to win brownie points, but because it's my opinion. The Viper is a much cooler car imo. Besides that, why are there pictures of an ugly dodge on MY THREAD!!?!?! :nono:

haha how about we get back on topic about the 8-series, i like where it was going about the technical engine talk! :D

[E31]

I am sorry for the post, it is your post for info on the car. I do not know anything about who makes custom suspension components for the 8, but there are a few places to ask the aces.

Go to http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e31/ for the mostcomprehensive group of people for the 8 series that I know. Things they know, BMW mechs don't even know.

[E31]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/ADCiocca/Misc%20pics/ZO6SRTpg.jpg

So tell me that the hood scoupe, nose, hump on the front wheel wells, lights, side mirrors, double bubble roof, side vents and hood are not copied from the Viper.

[944attack]

haha thats insane how similar they are!

everything on the viper looks WAY nicer though!

[SlickShift]

If I had to choose a DD, I'd take the Vette anyday. If I already had a collection of cars, I'd take a Viper. I've just heard the Viper isn't something you can live with all the time.

[LDadrenaline]

wow, the vette is insanely similar

[AwesomeBMW]

i dont disagree that the Vette looks a lot like the Viper but just remember the Z06 came out before the new Viper Coupe...

plus the C6 was modeled after 2 cars in particular, the mid-late 60's Stingray and the Ferrari 360 Modena... and let us never forget which of the 2 cars pictured is actually faster, better, less expensive and more practical... :thumbu:

dont get me wrong i like the Viper, but my dads 2001 Z06 with 425hp used to eat every Viper that it ever saw... along with Mustangs, ricers... i remember me and my dad were in his Z06 and there was a ricer on either side of us one was a civic and i think the other an eclipse, so the light turns green and they both take off, my dad waits about 3-5s and smokes the tires and passes them at about 120 on a local road and makes them look like they are standing still...

[LDadrenaline]

he was saying though that vettes dont get the same looks as vipers anymore, because so many more people drive vettes that they seem "common" to most people who cant tell that its a Z06

[AwesomeBMW]

he was saying though that vettes dont get the same looks as vipers anymore, because so many more people drive vettes that they seem "common" to most people who cant tell that its a Z06
idk i tend to disagree on that one, a lot...

[944attack]

i agree. Vettes are EVERYWHERE, so when i see one its not like woah cool theres a corvette, i just dont even bother to glance at it unless it's got cool rims or something. A Viper on the other hand, no matter what year or type, is like spotting your favorite celebrity on the street, the same excitement as if i were to see any other exotic sports car pass by.

And plus, to me the regular C6 and the Z06 have so minor exterior differences that i couldnt care less if i saw either one.

Viper is ftw on this one.



hooray, back to 850s!

[kelso]

zo6's dont have much that sets them apart looks wise. the viper is fairly rare so yes it does get looks. the new z06 is one very fast car.... i probably wouldnt buy either one.... id get an 850;)

[TheDarkSide]

Everyone has a vette, it does not get the same looks.

[LynxZ3r0]

If I had $80k to play with, it wouldn't be with an American car. ;)

[TheDarkSide]

Agreed, but 1 over the other?

[LynxZ3r0]

Agreed, but 1 over the other?
C6 Z06. Better performer. I will concur that the Viper has *MUCH* better looks, but plain and simple, in the hands of the right driver, the C6 Z06 is just shocking.

Edit: Not to say the Viper CAN'T perform.. I know it can.. but for the price, you can't get much better in straight and twisty performance than the Z06 (from a stock car, anyways).

[TheDarkSide]

Gotcha :cheers:

[AwesomeBMW]

C6 Z06. Better performer. I will concur that the Viper has *MUCH* better looks, but plain and simple, in the hands of the right driver, the C6 Z06 is just shocking.

Edit: Not to say the Viper CAN'T perform.. I know it can.. but for the price, you can't get much better in straight and twisty performance than the Z06 (from a stock car, anyways).
:ditto: 100%... hell it aint got the second fastest street legal ring for nothing... 7m 42s bishes... and not just that it has the highest power to weight ratio of all street lega performance cars in the world (other than the Bugatti of course)

[944attack]

:ditto: 100%... hell it aint got the second fastest street legal ring for nothing... 7m 42s bishes... and not just that it has the highest power to weight ratio of all street lega performance cars in the world (other than the Bugatti of course)


thats stunning!

too bad everyone has one. :shrug:

[AwesomeBMW]

thats stunning!

too bad everyone has one. :shrug:
ummmm..... hate to break it to you but not everyone has a Z06 infact they are harder to come by now more than before bc so many people want one...

[944attack]

ummmm..... hate to break it to you but not everyone has a Z06 infact they are harder to come by now more than before bc so many people want one...

really they dont? i thought every family in america had one?!! :confused:


:thumbd:



clearly you are sticking up for the C6 because you said your dad has one.
i admit i'd probably do the same, but you cant deny that C5's and C6's are all over. and they certainly dont turn my head.

[TheDarkSide]

you cant deny that C5's and C6's are all over. and they certainly dont turn my head.

:ditto: I would rock one, but they are pretty common. BTW, I live in Pasco and am saying that. Must tell you something. With American companies people have these die hard views and pick Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and every other one sucks. I will say I respect both the Zo6 and viper. The viper still holds its exotic look where as the zo6 will not. There are not enough changes that distinguish it from the run of the mill vette. Only an enthusiast would know the differences. For the money I would get base C6 and use the extra money to make it destroy the z06 and viper. So I am not defending the Viper in saying that is what I would choose, just the fact that corvettes in general are near dime a dozen, more so than many cheaper cars even.

[LDadrenaline]

i totally agree that the z06 is faster, but like someone said earlier, the "gawking" factor definately is greater with a viper.... *everyone* doesnt have a Z06, but they are much more common than a viper. Most people cant tell a regular vette from a C6 or a Z06. I know I cant unless I see the little Z06 badge on the side

[TheDarkSide]

Thata boy LD. Good post!

[AwesomeBMW]

really they dont? i thought every family in america had one?!! :confused:


:thumbd:



clearly you are sticking up for the C6 because you said your dad has one.
i admit i'd probably do the same, but you cant deny that C5's and C6's are all over. and they certainly dont turn my head.
i never said that they werent all over the place, they are most deff, but the Z06 is a much rarer car...

[kelso]

if i wanted to get a z06 performance, i wouldnt get the regular c6. leaf springs.... why in the hell do you put leaf springs on a car like that? the z06 performs like crazy and looks pretty decent... but like lynx said if i was playing with that kind of money, it wouldnt bewith an american car

[944attack]

Thata boy LD. Good post!

:lolup:


Dave I agree with what you were saying. :thumbu:


Kelso- i agree here too, thats why we got an e31!



i never said that they werent all over the place, they are most deff, but the Z06 is a much rarer car...

rarer than what?



Initially the Z06 and even C6 are very fast cars, i mentioned before that power, handling, even interior, and options and stuff are top of the line. I do like the new vettes very much. But that's beyond the point of this argument going here. :blah:

[kelso]

ehhhh i wouldnt say interior.... but thats just my opinion

[LDadrenaline]

yay for me!

[944attack]

yay for me!


best post yet! :alright:

[E31]

Vettes do get more looks now...that is because they look like a Viper. My point is that they had to copy something that is beating them out of sales. My buddy has 2 Vipers, a GTS for the track and a RT-10. He has not been passed by any Vettes at the track yet. You can ask him and he'll tell you what I just said. I have not met a Vette driver that wants to race. The Gen3 Viper came out in 2003 before the new C6 di.

[TheDarkSide]

So you are saying 2003 came before 2005 :dunno:

[AwesomeBMW]

Vettes do get more looks now...that is because they look like a Viper. My point is that they had to copy something that is beating them out of sales. My buddy has 2 Vipers, a GTS for the track and a RT-10. He has not been passed by any Vettes at the track yet. You can ask him and he'll tell you what I just said. I have not met a Vette driver that wants to race. The Gen3 Viper came out in 2003 before the new C6 di.
most Vette owners wont race bc they are big giant pussies and that is the truth... it is so unfortunate that such a great car has sold almost 60% of its cars outfitted with an automatic transmission... that is the only thing as a Corvette fan that i am truly embarrased about, i make sure people know that all of our Corvettes are manuals :lol:

[LDadrenaline]

well dodge's cars are all autos (unless the viper is stick, it isnt on their site). The "muscle car" charger only comes in auto. Theyve got 3 cars that break 400 hp and they dont even have manuals.... i just find that sad.

[TheDarkSide]

A lot of those high hp/torque american cars will turn better numbers auto than the manual all the time. Manual requires you to feather in each shift on a track.

[SlickShift]

That sound use SMG then...wait that's too complex for american car companies.

[TheDarkSide]

:dunno: I guess slush shifts came out better than human fast shifts due to too much wheel spin during shifts.

[E31]

People at the traps say auto Vettes hook up better at launch, but I don't know.

[AwesomeBMW]

People at the traps say auto Vettes hook up better at launch, but I don't know.
from what ive heard they do and supposedly an auto Vette is still as fast as a manual Vette but idk... still a manual is more fun...

[944attack]

from what ive heard they do and supposedly an auto Vette is still as fast as a manual Vette but idk... still a manual is more fun...

i agree, my girlfriend's mom has an automatic C4 that i get to drive around all the time, it was fun for a while with all that power, but after a while i'd say my car is much more fun to drive because it's manual. :thumbu:

[kelso]

auto vettes are a dime a dozen.... but i must say the shifters in the older ones werent that great...the c6 feels much better for shifting.
and as far as i know, the viper is stick, maybe with an auto option. i think all srt-4's were stick and i see dodge trucks in stick all the time, srt10 and reg. base models.ive seen pics of the charger in stick too...

[E31]

No auto option on Vipers, just stick.

[kelso]

good. thats how it should be with a car like that, but i figured that since a lot of older midlife crises guys buy them and sometimes have bad knees, theyd have auto's like the vette.

[AwesomeBMW]

ive seen pics of the charger in stick too...
nope just auto... the Challenger is supposed to only come in a 6 speed...

[kelso]

oh must have mixed them up, i forgot they were coming out with that thing

[LDadrenaline]

yeah dodge only has autos on their current cars, pretty ghey i know... I was looking at the pricing on an srt-8 magnum (:)) and it only came in auto. Then I looked at the charger and it only had auto too, which is pretty gay seeing that its supposed to be a muscle car

[kelso]

well a large portion of muscle cars are /were auto's. sports cars own;)

[LDadrenaline]

oh i totally agree.... although i still almost sh!t my pants when i see an srt8 charger in black. They are so mean looking, reminds me of fast

[kelso]

i dont really like them.... dodge vehicles always seemed like big life size versions of toy cars. the trucks especially just always looked like freakin tonka trucks to me... and the new charger i dunno it just looks kind of...fake...its hard to explain it, i know it probably doesnt make much sense. the wheels on the srt8 especially, they just dont look right. just my opinion on it though...

[LDadrenaline]

yeah i dont like the wheels too much either, but the grill with the small scoop in the front looks sexy in black :thumbsup:

[kelso]

yea it does look pretty gnarly. i just think most modern cars, just the past few years, have had terrible design teams. they just look so terrible, like some space-age looking stuff, when the rest of the world isnt up to that styling point in time yet. some examples are the dodges like i mentioned(although the challenger looks a lot like the oldschool one, so its not too bad) the new vw mk5 and hondas. the cheap toyota cars, most of fords entire vehicle line... and who's seen the new escalade?:puke:

[944attack]

yea it does look pretty gnarly. i just think most modern cars, just the past few years, have had terrible design teams. they just look so terrible, like some space-age looking stuff, when the rest of the world isnt up to that styling point in time yet. some examples are the dodges like i mentioned(although the challenger looks a lot like the oldschool one, so its not too bad) the new vw mk5 and hondas. the cheap toyota cars, most of fords entire vehicle line... and who's seen the new escalade?:puke:


HAHAHA wow i have the exact same opinions about all of these. I totally agree, and since my "dream job" since i was young was to design cars, I am destined to change the future for the better.

may the old Charger rest in peace, they killed it with this new one.

[LDadrenaline]

i think the worst part about fords are the interoir. They are the most bland, pieces of garbage I've ever been in. Even Clarkson, who loved the lightning's POWAAA, was adamate about how much the interior sucked

[kelso]

and how people steal sh!t out of the bed!lol that was a good episode. yea american interiors in general are bland but speaking of interiors... bmw needs to stop using that grey foam **** on the bottom of floor mats, vw needs a new carpet(its very hard to vaccuum) and stop using whatever makes them smell like crayons. the american companies just need better quality materials, and maybe more precise fitment.

[944attack]

i dont think ive been in any new cars lately, so i cant comment. seems everyone i know has older cars, at least in the 1990's, if not older. :dunno:


i do like lots of new interior designs though like the Mini :bow:

[TheDarkSide]

i think the worst part about fords are the interoir. They are the most bland, pieces of garbage I've ever been in. Even Clarkson, who loved the lightning's POWAAA, was adamate about how much the interior sucked

That goes for all domestic cars.

[kelso]

h2's are the worst quality interior i can think of, especially for the price... after a few months, the paint starts wearing off the plastic... painted plastic shouldnt be in there.

[TheDarkSide]

Nah, escalades suck inside.

[kelso]

well they are very similar but the h2 is worse. theyre both GM trucks so they share a lot of things, escalade is nicer though

[TheDarkSide]

Yeah but H2 is allowed to look a little rugged. Escalade should be a bit nicer. Ryan's in nice, but that is not normally what they look like inside!

[kelso]

no i dont mean rugged, its cheap looking... they have pieces of plastic on the doors and the dash/console that are basically spraypainted this silver color. it always wears off, its very cheap and ****ty looking. not something id want for like 50 grand

[TheDarkSide]

Get what you pay for does not mean **** I guess. I forget who but you see the video when they test drive the Ferrari and they break like 4 teeth from the shifter and it has a few thousand miles on it and like the shift knob it like falling apart :rofl:

[SlickShift]

Find the video!

[kelso]

italians arent known for theire durable cars....very fast, but **** durability/reliability for the most part

[LDadrenaline]

i heard that in the near past, theyve become alot more reliable.... still not what they should be, but not as bad. My dad told me that when he went to europe like 25 years ago, that every broken down car on the side of the road was italian.

[AwesomeBMW]

idk the interior on our Escalade ESV Platinum is actually pretty nice... its comfortable, it rides and drives really well... you should see the interiors on the new Escalades, id say they are starting to get up to par to the German's........ we are trading in our ESV for a brand new Tahoe today (our dog has passed away so we dont need the room anymore, and my dad is in one of those "we dont need anything expensive" moods :roll:) but im deffinitly excited to see our new Tahoe today, they are driving it down to our beach house for us...

[LDadrenaline]

if you dont need the room then why the hell are you getting a tahoe?? Get something smaller. Personally I think they should get you something new and take the CX-7.

[kelso]

in the later years, most everything has gotten better. with warranty plans and competetion, basically all manufacturers have been making better vehicles.

[AwesomeBMW]

if you dont need the room then why the hell are you getting a tahoe?? Get something smaller. Personally I think they should get you something new and take the CX-7.
:thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :cheers:

i tried to pawn that off on them but my dad just yells at me and makes poor excuses on why i should be thankful

[AwesomeBMW]

in the later years, most everything has gotten better. with warranty plans and competetion, basically all manufacturers have been making better vehicles.
yes but BMW is the only one that offers a 4yr/50,000 mile service plan that is free of charge (even though you really pay for it in the MSRP)

[kelso]

in which case, its not free of charge, its included in the price of your car, which is more than enough

[Roy]

yes but BMW is the only one that offers a 4yr/50,000 mile service plan that is free of charge (even though you really pay for it in the MSRP)
You do know Audi has offered the same exact service plan as bmw for a number of years?

You know hynduai has a 100,000 mile warranty right?
BMW is not the only one in that category.

[kelso]

thats what i was thinking too, but he did say free of charge, and i didnt feel like looking them up to see if they cost anything....but its not necessarily free, its just included

[LDadrenaline]

yeah hyundais (and i think maybe kia too) have the best warranties out there.

[TheDarkSide]

Yeah, but regardless the hastle of having to get them fixed all of the time regardless if it is free is More headache then it is worth.

[944attack]

sooo.... currently my dad is up in New York right now driving his new e31 down to D.C. ...pretty cool.

[kelso]

whens he going to have it home?...this thread went so offtopic...

[TheDarkSide]

:rofl:

[LDadrenaline]

lol wow i forgot what the original thread was about

[AwesomeBMW]

You do know Audi has offered the same exact service plan as bmw for a number of years?

You know hynduai has a 100,000 mile warranty right?
BMW is not the only one in that category.
no you are right but none that i have heard of offer the service plan that is all of your service is free for 4yrs/50,000 miles
and also all wear and tear issues are replaced free with no questions asked

[AwesomeBMW]

sooo.... currently my dad is up in New York right now driving his new e31 down to D.C. ...pretty cool.
ya when do you get to take some real pix of it?

[Roy]

no you are right but none that i have heard of offer the service plan that is all of your service is free for 4yrs/50,000 miles
and also all wear and tear issues are replaced free with no questions asked
What part of
You do know Audi has offered the same exact service plan as bmw for a number of years?
didn't you understand.

Audi does service for 50,000 miles too.
And BMW does not replace wear and tear issues for free with "no questions asked." They do not replace guibo's, clutches, etc.. that show "wear and tear" for free.
sorry for OT.

[AwesomeBMW]

What part of
didn't you understand.

Audi does service for 50,000 miles too.
And BMW does not replace wear and tear issues for free with "no questions asked." They do not replace guibo's, clutches, etc.. that show "wear and tear" for free.
sorry for OT.
sorry to keep draggin this out guys but i had wear and tear issues with my speakers in my BMW and they replaced everything and all i had to say was there is something wrong with my speaker(s)...
Audi Warranty
"The first scheduled maintenance service at 5,000 miles or 12 months, whichever comes first, free of charge
4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first, new vehicle limited warranty
12-year limited warranty against corrosion perforation
Audi 24-hour Roadside Assistance for 4 years"

BMW warranty
"We cover all factory-recommended maintenance at no charge for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first, as well as items that need replacement due to regular wear and tear.

For even more value, extend your plan for another 2 years or 50,000 miles.
When you purchase your BMW you can choose to upgrade your BMW Maintenance Plan for an additional 2 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. This phase begins after the initial four year or 50,000 mile plan expires and it offers the same benefits and ownership value.

* The BMW Maintenance Program covers all factory-recommended maintenance on all model year 2006 vehicles and newer vehicles, as determined by the Service Level Indicator, for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. Exclusions from coverage: gasoline, gasoline additives, windshield washer additives, tires, wheels, wheel alignment, tire balancing and rotation. All work must be performed by an authorized BMW center. See the Service and Warranty Information booklet for more details and exclusions."

now which part of what "none that i have heard of offer the service plan that is all of your service is free for 4yrs/50,000 miles
and also all wear and tear issues are replaced free with no questions asked"

[BallsDeepAsian350]

You got a link to that info buddy?

It seems kind of retarded for any car company to replace anything with wear and tear for up to 4 years.

[AwesomeBMW]

You got a link to that info buddy?

It seems kind of retarded for any car company to replace anything with wear and tear for up to 4 years.
ya its on BMW's website, i cant access the website from my dads computer here at the beach bc it wont let me download flash player 9 for some odd reason but i think i emailed it to someone the other day so let me check hang on

[AwesomeBMW]

You got a link to that info buddy?

It seems kind of retarded for any car company to replace anything with wear and tear for up to 4 years.
http://www.bmwusa.com/owners/bmwultimateservice/maintenance

found it

[kelso]

well they sort of fixed some of daves stuff on the coupe, but they tried pretty hard not to. i think it just depends on how demanding you are with the dealer?

[AwesomeBMW]

well they sort of fixed some of daves stuff on the coupe, but they tried pretty hard not to. i think it just depends on how demanding you are with the dealer?
it depends a lot on the dealer and how you get to be buddies with them... but i have been told that if you call BMWNA and complain about something and start talking about contacting a lawyer they will do anything for you to not be taken to court

[Roy]

sorry to keep draggin this out guys but i had wear and tear issues with my speakers in my BMW and they replaced everything and all i had to say was there is something wrong with my speaker(s)...
Audi Warranty
"The first scheduled maintenance service at 5,000 miles or 12 months, whichever comes first, free of charge
4 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first, new vehicle limited warranty
12-year limited warranty against corrosion perforation
Audi 24-hour Roadside Assistance for 4 years"

BMW warranty
"We cover all factory-recommended maintenance at no charge for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first, as well as items that need replacement due to regular wear and tear.

For even more value, extend your plan for another 2 years or 50,000 miles.
When you purchase your BMW you can choose to upgrade your BMW Maintenance Plan for an additional 2 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. This phase begins after the initial four year or 50,000 mile plan expires and it offers the same benefits and ownership value.

* The BMW Maintenance Program covers all factory-recommended maintenance on all model year 2006 vehicles and newer vehicles, as determined by the Service Level Indicator, for four years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. Exclusions from coverage: gasoline, gasoline additives, windshield washer additives, tires, wheels, wheel alignment, tire balancing and rotation. All work must be performed by an authorized BMW center. See the Service and Warranty Information booklet for more details and exclusions."

now which part of what "none that i have heard of offer the service plan that is all of your service is free for 4yrs/50,000 miles
and also all wear and tear issues are replaced free with no questions asked"
Is there a scheduled maintenance package available to customers purchasing model year 2007 vehicles?
Yes, it's called Audi Care, new vehicle scheduled maintenance plan. It is available for purchase at the time of the new vehicle sale, or within 12 months or 12,000 miles of the original vehicle in-service date. The package covers regularly scheduled maintenances including 15,000, 25,000, 35,000, and 45,000 miles or 5 years, whichever occurs first. (http://www.audiusa.com/contact_audi/0,3802,categoryId-11_,00.html)

Please, do research before posting. I told you this in another thread. Please think before posting!!!

First, I don't get the explanation of the Audi and BMW service plan, they are the same thing. Audi does do oil changes, brakes, wipers, etc. to 50,000 miles, just like BMW. READ!

Second, you need to read my posts, and understand them, before you reply. Noticed when I used the term "wear and tear" I included clutches, guibos, etc.. Not your speakers. If your speakers were replaced, great. Speakers don't really apply to wear and tear items. But they were broken, then I'm sure BMW replaced them under warranty like they were supposed to. That is apart of BMW's plan.

Third, If you burn out your clutch at 10,000 miles, BMW is not going to cover it. That is a wear and tear item. They do not cover them, with no questions asked. Certain items that apply to wear and tear, BMW covers, brakes, wipers, etc.. If you are a dumbass in your car, it will show, and BMW does not have a "Dumbass" clause in there warranty/service that says "If you are retarded we cover everything."

What is the confusion here? You are mistaking your "speaker problem" with wear and tear items..

EDIT: Err, I'm seeing some rumors around online that Audi discontinued their 50,000 service plan starting at 2007 models.
News to me.. Anyone else hear this??

[AwesomeBMW]

Is there a scheduled maintenance package available to customers purchasing model year 2007 vehicles?
Yes, it's called Audi Care, new vehicle scheduled maintenance plan. It is available for purchase at the time of the new vehicle sale, or within 12 months or 12,000 miles of the original vehicle in-service date. The package covers regularly scheduled maintenances including 15,000, 25,000, 35,000, and 45,000 miles or 5 years, whichever occurs first. (http://www.audiusa.com/contact_audi/0,3802,categoryId-11_,00.html)

Please, do research before posting. I told you this in another thread. Please think before posting!!!

First, I don't get the explanation of the Audi and BMW service plan, they are the same thing. Audi does do oil changes, brakes, wipers, etc. to 50,000 miles, just like BMW. READ!

Second, you need to read my posts, and understand them, before you reply. Noticed when I used the term "wear and tear" I included clutches, guibos, etc.. Not your speakers. If your speakers were replaced, great. Speakers don't really apply to wear and tear items. But they were broken, then I'm sure BMW replaced them under warranty like they were supposed to. That is apart of BMW's plan.

Third, If you burn out your clutch at 10,000 miles, BMW is not going to cover it. That is a wear and tear item. They do not cover them, with no questions asked. Certain items that apply to wear and tear, BMW covers, brakes, wipers, etc.. If you are a dumbass in your car, it will show, and BMW does not have a "Dumbass" clause in there warranty/service that says "If you are retarded we cover everything."

What is the confusion here? You are mistaking your "speaker problem" with wear and tear items..

EDIT: Err, I'm seeing some rumors around online that Audi discontinued their 50,000 service plan starting at 2007 models.
News to me.. Anyone else hear this??
yes my speaker was a wear and tear item under BMW's clause bc i used the speakers the way they shouldnt be used... i drove over 34,000 miles in the first year of having the car and i either had my stereo off (which was almost never) or turned all the way up loud bc i listen to a lot of Blues msuic ans i like to be able to feel the passion of the music running through me... yes BMW will replace a clutch and stuff like that, i have heard of it being done with a little complaint to BMWNA like i said before... i have heard of a guy who complained about his automatic transmission going out at around 80k miles and BMW wouldnt replace bc it wasnt under warranty, so he called and complained to BMWNA and said that he was going to contact his lawyer and BMW fixed it for free...

i had heard of Audi revoking some of its 2007 model year service warranties and that is why i didnt post that up there bc i havent heard of BMW doing that unless you do not put a minimum of 91 octane gasoline in your car, that is the only thing ive ever heard of BMW taking away your service warranty for (also they do it on aftermarket parts put on the car but only for that one item not the whole car)

i wore down my brakes pretty well within the first 15,000 miles that i had it and BMW replaced my brakes without saying ****, they just told me that they noticed a little extra wear than usual and the service guy said that he could tell id been having some fun with a smile on his face and said that not to worry about that stuff that BMW wouldnt say anything about it... hell i got a free tire balance and new weights put on my rims just bc the dealership i bought it from here in NC wanted to be nice...

but once again like i said before BMW's service plan is standard with the car the Audi Care you have to pay extra for... the only thing you get for free is your first service at 5,000 miles... "The cost of Audi Care at the time of the new vehicle purchase or within 12 months or 12,000 miles is $550 MSRP" that is taken straight from AudiUSA... and so is this "When you purchase a new Audi 2007 model year vehicle, you have the opportunity to purchase Audi Care, a comprehensive new vehicle scheduled maintenance service plan. The cost may be rolled into your vehicle payment, or, if you prefer, you may purchase the plan any time within 12 months or 12,000 miles after you purchase your Audi."
http://www.audiusa.com/myaudi_warranty

BMW's isnt an option it is standard...

[944attack]

whens he going to have it home?...this thread went so offtopic...

no kidding, i dont think its ever going to get back on topic either....

anyway, last time i talked to him he picked up the car and said it was nicer than he even thought! The owner just detailed it and gave him 300 extra bucks because of the sunroof which recently slid off track. Anyway he's in Washington D.C. right about now, sleeping in the car :lol: , then he's gonna check out the city for a while on saturday and board the auto-train in the evening. The train runs from D.C. to Sanford, FL nonstop all through the night, and is supposed to arrive early in the morning. Luckily Sanford is like 20 minutes away from our house, but by the time they unload all the cars and stuff it will be in the afternoon probably. In other words he most likely wont have the car home until Sunday evening.. Pictures and maybe photoshoot with his 633 and my 944 will probably come monday :thumbu:

[LDadrenaline]

YAY!!!!!! wow thats awesome, I didnt know they could get cars here that fast! Have fun with it!!

[LDadrenaline]

and okay josh and nick.... just stop now, this argument isnt going anywhere, except to maybe another page. Notice how this thread is on page 9 now, just STOP!

[AwesomeBMW]

did your dad say how it drove? man i bet that car is so sweet to drive on a long distance...

[944attack]

haha yea he's loving it, i talked to him today again and he said everything about the car is awesome. He said he didnt really get much oppertunities to really open it up because of the storm and the traffic up there, but he likes it so far! I cant wait till it gets here tomorrow...

[TheDarkSide]

Awesome :woot2:

[E31]

Sweet!

[944attack]

the car is home, and it's awesome!! I drove it around for a bit, and although it drives extremely nice, it doesnt really have the power that I thought it would. This car certainly turns heads though, people give comments and throw thumbs up all the time.. Here's a couple crappy pictures:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/bmx944/100_0922.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/bmx944/100_0920.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/bmx944/100_0924.jpg

[kelso]

looks good

[LDadrenaline]

wow, looks great!

and yeah the car needs some mods to get power. I think jake said it has like 9.5:1 compression ratio now and with a few things like headwork it can go up to 11

powaaaaaaaa

congrats!

[944attack]

wow, looks great!

and yeah the car needs some mods to get power. I think jake said it has like 9.5:1 compression ratio now and with a few things like headwork it can go up to 11

powaaaaaaaa

congrats!


haha thanks! yea it def. needs a bit more powaa! but apparently everything is like twice as expensive for this car. :( It really BLASTS off from a 70+mph start. Off the line it's a bit underpowered.

[kelso]

wasnt i reading on here that its basically a detuned mclaren f1 motor?

[LDadrenaline]

yeah i remember someone saying that too

[TheDarkSide]

M70 on E31 and S70 on Mclaren F1. similar but different displacement and SOHC vs DOHC .

[LDadrenaline]

bore-ing out the cylinders ftw!

[TheDarkSide]

I also added a ninja edit

[catchuk]

is that an aftermarket exhaust on it. the tips look nice.

[TheDarkSide]

I dont think so but I have seen differnet shapes on 850s. Some are very square or oval. Maybe they changed it each year or in class i/Ci/CSi

[Roy]

Nice ride..

[AwesomeBMW]

:eek: absolutly gorgeous... tell your dad and i think i speak for everyone when i say this, CONGRADU****INLATIONS!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: that is one sweet ass ride...

[944attack]

is that an aftermarket exhaust on it. the tips look nice.


yep, the previous owner spent 1200 on this exhaust apparently... dual Supersprint Magnum mufflers with double tips. They look extremely nice in person on this car, you guys have no idea.


here's a nice dirty pic:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/bmx944/100_0926.jpg

also thanks guys for the comments!

[TheDarkSide]

Sound good?

[catchuk]

I love to hear a sound clip

[944attack]

hahaha alright alright, i'll get one tomorrow.. :nuts:

it actually sounds kind of quiet, but it's a nice mellow tone.



or maybe it's just quiet compared to my car, which is about is loud as a scalded banshee at 3 in the morning. My dad's 633 isn't very quiet either...

[TheDarkSide]

:eek: Good deal :thumbu:

[E31]

The black square tips are OEM mufflers, some had slip on chrome tips on them. I went with Magnaflows on mine. Now people are gonna thing you are me on the road! :lol: I don't have the spoiler and the chrome lic plate holder. If you have any issues, let me know, I'll help you find it. If it idles rough, let me know, there is a fix to it and I have a special BMW tool to use...I can also do the work in 4-5 hrs instead of the shop 8-12 hrs.

[TheDarkSide]

Antonio FTW!

[LDadrenaline]

yay

[944attack]

The black square tips are OEM mufflers, some had slip on chrome tips on them. I went with Magnaflows on mine. Now people are gonna thing you are me on the road! :lol: I don't have the spoiler and the chrome lic plate holder. If you have any issues, let me know, I'll help you find it. If it idles rough, let me know, there is a fix to it and I have a special BMW tool to use...I can also do the work in 4-5 hrs instead of the shop 8-12 hrs.


awesome thanks!! well the car just seems to have kinda poor throttle response. Are they all like that? Other than that, the car runs smooth and great, everything else is in perfect shape.

What meets do you go to and where are they? I know I've seen pictures of your car at various meets, so I was just wondering where they are and I could possibly get my dad to go out and meet you there.

[E31]

Whenever the next meet is, I'll be able to go. I have laid low for a while since I don't have any tread on the tires. I am getting my new ones on tomorrow.

The throttle is fly-by-wire on this car, they may need to be synced. It is called a coast down procedure.
Keep in 1st and go to red line and keep it there for 5-6 seconds, then coast down without hitting the brake until you idle. When you do this, make sure you are on a road that you can go about 50-60 mph and that there is no one behind you to coast down. Find a desolate road. If you are lucky, you can hear the TB's sync when you are red lining. They sound like servos. If you start having weird problems, replace both batteries, not just one of them. I have Optima red tops and work great.

[TheDarkSide]

Wow, weird...

[ACS530I]

the 8 series has always been one of my top 5 favorites, i intend to get one a little later on. god luck with it

[kelso]

antonio's the man, 850's freakin rock

[TheDarkSide]

Yeah, I need the CSI to get a little cheaper first. :)

[944attack]

wow, very interesting procedure, thanks!

well i told my dad about it so hes going to try it today sometime after work and see what happens. hopefully it works out!

and antonio is def. the man. :headbang:

[TheDarkSide]

He loves doing sunroofs too so if you run into an issue let him know :rofl:

[944attack]

He loves doing sunroofs too so if you run into an issue let him know :rofl:


O RLY!?


hahaha the previous owner actually gave us a couple hundred back because the sunroof had a problem 2 days prior to recieving the car! I think he said it was not on track or something, and my dad is afraid to even touch a button because he doesnt want it to leak. His e24 has had the same problem.

Antonio are you going to the Orlando meet this weekend in Winter Park?

[E31]

I am a sunroof expert now. Mine jumped off track 2 weeks ago and now I finally have all the parts. I took it all down piece by piece and I'll tell you if it will work again after I install the last 2 pieces. I am attempting my skills in reupholstering. I did well, but the 3M glue didn't hold.

[944attack]

very nice, well I think that's the same problem my dads car has, not entirely certain. He will have to catch you at a meet sometime so you guys can compare cars haha.

Do you know if you are going to the Orlando meet tomorrow? Or maybe the big meet at the end of the month, I think its in Baldwin Park or something...

[TheDarkSide]

That is more that most will try.

[dsonik1]

I hate you and your father...........


But all will be forgiven if you just hand over the 850, please. :)

Congrats, but I still hate you.

[TheDarkSide]

:confused:

[dsonik1]

It's envy...... The first car to make me fall in love with BMW design was the 850. And I've wanted one ever since. One of those car obsessions. It's actually in the top 5 of my top 10. Such a beautiful car.

[TheDarkSide]

:highfive:

[944attack]

That is more than most will try.


sissies? :confused:

[TheDarkSide]

:gayfight: