2007 BMW 335i Dyno

[AwesomeSL]

2007 BMW 335i Dynamometer Run

The 2007 BMW 335i will be in showrooms next month, and is the first application of BMW’s new twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. This is a big deal because BMW has had only two short affairs with turbocharged gasoline production cars--the 2002 Turbo in the mid-70s, and the E23 745i in the early 80s--and neither was sold in the U.S. As the saying goes, third time’s the charm.

BMW fit this new engine with two small-displacement turbochargers--instead of one larger unit--in an effort to reduce lag. And for the most part, it worked. Behind the wheel, you’re vaguely aware that this engine doesn’t have quite as crisp a throttle response as its normally-aspirated siblings do. But you don’t care--you’re too busy trying to hold on for dear life.

2007 BMW 335i Hood Up
This is one hell of a motor, pulling smoothly and strongly from idle all the way to its 7000-rpm fuel cutoff. There’s no boost gauge, and since you barely hear the turbos spooling, it’s easy to forget they’re even there. Once you’ve adjusted to the slight lag in power delivery following big, sudden throttle openings, all you notice is the sound of that silky in-line six.

BMW says that this engine makes 300 horsepower and 300 lb-ft of torque. We were so impressed with its power that we couldn’t help wonder if that was a conservative rating. Wasting no time, I swiped the keys and drove to a local dyno shop to find out.

2007 BMW 335i Rear Badge
We used a DynoJet chassis dyno, which measures an engine’s power output at a vehicle’s rear wheels. Because of frictional driveline losses, this number is always lower--generally by fifteen to twenty percent--than the quoted power output from the manufacturer, which is measured at the engine itself.

Here’s what we found:

The non-turbocharged 330i, rated by BMW at 255 hp and 220 lb-ft of torque, puts about 200 hp and 180 lb-ft to the rear wheels. That’s roughly a twenty-percent loss. Since they have similar drivelines, you’d expect the 335i to put down 235 hp and 250 lb-ft.

2007 BMW 335i Rear Corner Dyno
But it didn’t. It put down a whole lot more: 275 hp and 300 lb-ft. A few quick taps on our trusty calculator shows that this engine is likely putting out closer to 350 hp and 360 lb-ft of torque.

Technical editor Don Sherman’s ears perked up at all this number crunching. With all that power, he wondered, is the 335i faster than the outgoing 333-hp E46 M3? We waved goodbye to the shiny new coupe’s rear tires, and sent him to find out.

Don coaxed the 335i to 60 mph in 5.1 seconds--only 0.3 seconds slower than the M3. The 335i covered the quarter-mile in 13.6 seconds @ 104 mph--again, only 0.2 seconds and 1 mph behind the M3.

2007 BMW 335i Rear View
So in an all-out drag race, the 335i comes close, but can’t quite match the M3’s blistering acceleration. Those numbers, though, only tell half the story. Have a look at the top-gear acceleration figures. In sixth gear, the M3 needs 14.7 seconds to get from 30 to 70 mph – but the 335i does it in only 12.5.

That, my friends, is the beauty of this engine. At full bore, it’s as fast as an M3. But at moderate engine speeds, it’s even faster. What a great way to keep us all interested until the next M3 comes along.

Test - M3 - 335i
0-60 - 4.8 - 5.1
0-100 - 11.5 - 12.7
0-110 - 14.5 - 15.6
0-120 - N/A - 18.6
0-140 - N/A - 28.2
1/4 mile - 13.4@105 - 13.6@104
peak g - 0.7 - 0.68
30-70 (6th) - 14.7 - 12.5
30-70 (3rd) - N/A - 6.5

70-0 - 162 - 150
Peak g - 1.12 - 1.12

Weight - 3480 - 3560
%F/R - 50.6/49.4 - 51.1/48.9
Redline - 8000 - 7000
Power - 333 - 300
Torque - 202 - 300

Tires 255/40 ZR-18 255/35 WR-18
http://www.automobilemag.com/multimedia/video/0609_2007_bmw_335i_dyno/
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/839/0609z2007bmw335ifrontcornerei2.jpg
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[AwesomeSL]

and here boys and girls is the wonderful 335i Sedan also
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/12/spotted-2007-bmw-335i-sedan/--- this one was found in a Chicago dealership lot to see what the dealers would think...


http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23895--- this one was found in Munich with no symbols...

and here is some extra info about the 335i Coupe in case you didnt know... http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/jul2006/bw20060711_325305.htm?chan=autos_autos+index+page_ news

[FactorX]

wow... thats pretty wicked...

Will that engine be available in the Xi 3 series (are they still making the Xi?).

AWD with that much power potential would be pretty wicked...

[AwesomeSL]

wow... thats pretty wicked...

Will that engine be available in the Xi 3 series (are they still making the Xi?).

AWD with that much power potential would be pretty wicked...

ya they will make that with the Sedan Xi...

[AwesomeSL]

for everyones interest here are the new E92 Coupe pricings
328i Coupe - $35,995
328xi Coupe - $37,795
335i Coupe - $41,295<O:p</O:p

[catchuk]

they are planning on putting that same engine in the next gen 5 series too!

[LynxZ3r0]

Any links to an actual dyno sheet? I'd like to see the actual power curve of it. That's pretty sexy, though. If I ever blew my motor, I'd consider swapping that one in ;)

[AwesomeSL]

Any links to an actual dyno sheet? I'd like to see the actual power curve of it. That's pretty sexy, though. If I ever blew my motor, I'd consider swapping that one in ;)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6240/0609a2007bmw335idynochartfr9.jpg

[LynxZ3r0]

OH ****

I want that engine. That is a BEAUTIFUL dyno plot.. It doesn't even look like a turbo dyno..

Jesus christ..

[kelso]

now imagine what that thing would do with some decent sized turbos:eek:

that car seems like a lot of fun hhee

[Panzer_M]

The 2002 Turbo WAS sold in the US Market.

and I believe the 7 was too.

[Panzer_M]

Plus BMW made a number of Turbo Diesels. From the e28 524TD to the 120d.

[Gator911]

Active autowerke has to be having wet dreams every night

[LynxZ3r0]

Ok yeah, if anyone happens to see a wrecked 335i in a junkyard somewhere, give me a call right away. ;)

[David A]

Wow...this is awesome news. I've been dying to see these numbers for a while now...just awesome! :D

[LDadrenaline]

wow, just wow.... that car is gonna be amazing. Now if only they could fix the 42k pricetag next lol

[TheDarkSide]

I read they do not plan on doing the Xi with the turbo :dunno:

[AwesomeSL]

I read they do not plan on doing the Xi with the turbo :dunno:

well its common sense... if they do a 335i Sedan then they will do a 335Xi sedan... but as far as a 335Xi Coupe, i seriously doubt that they will do that bc it would kill the car... there is no reason for that car to be AWD as a coupe, sure the 328Xi is fine bc it isnt as much power and so not as much is being screwed with bc it is meant to be the 325Ci, but a 335i with AWD yikes now thats dumb...

[LDadrenaline]

how is that dumb?? I mean, it kinda hurts top speed but it helps drastically in putting the power down. They did a top gear testing the carrera S vs the C4S to see if the awd was really any better since the carrera handles amazingly anyways. Lo and behold, it ran a faster time. I read somewhere that porsche may be switching everything to awd (id assume not the GT3 though because of the race classes it runs in)

[AwesomeSL]

how is that dumb?? I mean, it kinda hurts top speed but it helps drastically in putting the power down. They did a top gear testing the carrera S vs the C4S to see if the awd was really any better since the carrera handles amazingly anyways. Lo and behold, it ran a faster time. I read somewhere that porsche may be switching everything to awd (id assume not the GT3 though because of the race classes it runs in)

but LD the 335i isnt meant to be a Porsche fighter... it is meant to fight the other RWD coupes out there like the G35, Pontiac GTO, Ford Mustang GT, Mercedes Benz C(if they ever make a worth while coupe)... but also the track that they ran the CS and C4S was an indoor dirt track so obviously it is going to be faster but it was that much faster around the track...

[LDadrenaline]

wasnt indoor dirt, it was indoor pavement, watch it again :)

but yeah i understand that. However it already beats the cars you mentioned. It has just as much or more hp, and it handles way better. Why not put it over the top now with the xi??

[Gator911]

BMWs awd system isn't exactly the best...

I wouldnt want it...It add's weight and takes away from the excitement...

Why do you think the GT2 isnt awd but the turbo is:evil:

[LDadrenaline]

what year was the GT2 made though?? I mean, did porsche even have a good awd system then?

and the turbos awd system is sweet. 60-40 rear-front power to give awesome handling.... its, well... awesome!

[AwesomeSL]

what year was the GT2 made though?? I mean, did porsche even have a good awd system then?

and the turbos awd system is sweet. 60-40 rear-front power to give awesome handling.... its, well... awesome!

but LD a 40/60 front/rear split is normal now a days for an AWD car

[AwesomeSL]

wasnt indoor dirt, it was indoor pavement, watch it again :)

but yeah i understand that. However it already beats the cars you mentioned. It has just as much or more hp, and it handles way better. Why not put it over the top now with the xi??

bc it just wouldnt work as well... it is already heavy enough, and it doesnt need more useless weight...

[LDadrenaline]

useless weight makes sense...awd isnt useless weight though, it serves a good purpose. Sure you lose some on the top end, but it pulls much easier out of corners. It launches alot better too, and most of you like drag-ing anyways. It doesnt add an obnoxious amount of weight though, its not like adding a huge a$s subwoofer that doesnt increase performance at all

[AwesomeSL]

useless weight makes sense...awd isnt useless weight though, it serves a good purpose. Sure you lose some on the top end, but it pulls much easier out of corners. It launches alot better too, and most of you like drag-ing anyways. It doesnt add an obnoxious amount of weight though, its not like adding a huge a$s subwoofer that doesnt increase performance at all

but AWD tends to understeer a hell of a lot more than AWD... and it is useless weight if you dont need it bc it will add 200lbs or more to the damn car

[AwesomeSL]

useless weight makes sense...awd isnt useless weight though, it serves a good purpose. Sure you lose some on the top end, but it pulls much easier out of corners. It launches alot better too, and most of you like drag-ing anyways. It doesnt add an obnoxious amount of weight though, its not like adding a huge a$s subwoofer that doesnt increase performance at all

these are the weight specs for the 328i, 328Xi and 335i both auto and manual

Manual transmission: 328i (weight in lbs 3351) 328Xi (weight in lbs 3582) 335i (weight in lbs 3571)<O:p</O:p
Automatic transmission: 328i (weight in lbs 3417) 328Xi (weight in lbs 3627) 335i (weight in lbs 3582)

the 328Xi weighs 231lbs (auto) and 210lbs (stick) more than the 328i... further proving my point that it adds obnoxious and unneeded weight... basically an AWD 335i would need roughly 20hp and 20lb-ft of torque more to make it sit next to a regular RWD 335i 0-60 and possbily in the 1/4 mile... and around the track i think that a 335i RWD vs an AWD 335i the 335i RWD would win handily due to weight advantages... everyone else please chime if you think that i am wrong bc i think most of the stuff im saying is correct but ive never really driven an AWD car like i have a RWD Bimmer<O:p</O:p

[LDadrenaline]

200 lbs inst like *insanely more* for a better traction system

also with a 60-40 R->F system there isnt that much understeer. Besides with a rear swaybar tightened up a bit, it all goes away

[AwesomeSL]

200 lbs inst like *insanely more* for a better traction system

also with a 60-40 R->F system there isnt that much understeer. Besides with a rear swaybar tightened up a bit, it all goes away

idk, like i said bc i havent driven an AWD car like i have a RWD BMW i wouldnt really know too much in comparison...

[LDadrenaline]

yeah i know :) lol


i mean, my awd pushed like all hell because subaru is symmetrical awd (means all wheels get the same power). when kevlar autoXed his dads volvo s60r, he could break it loose because the computer would send power to wheels differently and more to the rear. A car with more rear wheel power but still some to the front can handle much better than all rear

[Gator911]

200lbs is A LOT of weight....Especially around a track...

Name me a good racecar that is awd??? It just doesnt happen, and there is a reason...

AWD is good for snow and bad weather, and for people who can't normally drive a car to the limits.

I say this as a blanket statement, knowing that there are some great awd cars(such as the Porsche turbo and Audi S4) but all things equal, a RWD version of an AWD car would be faster...

-Keith

[SergeK]

Now if we could fit that Engine in an E36... or even better... the upcomming 1 and 2 series.... WOW

[LynxZ3r0]

Now if we could fit that Engine in an E36... or even better... the upcomming 1 and 2 series.... WOW

And why wouldn't we be able to?

I wasn't joking when I said if you see a motor somewhere, tell me. Better fuel economy AND better performance? I'll build new motor mounts, who cares?

[TheDarkSide]

OT: I want a RS4...:shrug:

[AwesomeSL]

OT: I want a RS4...:shrug:

ok the new RS4 does 4.5s 0-60s... this car im telling ya Dave somebody will get it to a 4.8-4.9s 0-60 so the new M3 has to over shadow that and has to do 4.5s 0-60s and i still think that BMW is getting back into their groove of true performance cars (ex: M5 and M6 with the new M5 Touring coming soon.) im not saying anything against the RS4 bc it makes me cream my shorts everytime i see it too hahaha, but id just rather wait for the E90/E92 M3 bc it will be coupe/vert and sedan again... and i think the new M3 will beat the RS4 around the track easily...............

found these for you guys...
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8915/4jdx9q3wtztc3oasww5.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/418/4jdx9q3wtztc3nwkqz1.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3199/4jdx9q3wtztc3npqns4.jpg

[LDadrenaline]

I say this as a blanket statement, knowing that there are some great awd cars(such as the Porsche turbo and Audi S4) but all things equal, a RWD version of an AWD car would be faster...

-Keith

that is why you should watch top gear... they proved that exact statement wrong by running the carrera S and the C4S around the same track, indoors so there wasnt any heat change. The awd ran a faster time.

[M52 POWER!]

Why the hell did they put different scales on that dyno chart for hp/tq?

[LDadrenaline]

yeah i was confused by that too.... i had to look a little closer to realize what was going on

[TheDarkSide]

Why the hell did they put different scales on that dyno chart for hp/tq?

We car that sir :stoopid:

[AwesomeSL]

that is why you should watch top gear... they proved that exact statement wrong by running the carrera S and the C4S around the same track, indoors so there wasnt any heat change. The awd ran a faster time.

im trying to find the video but LD im telling you it was an indoor dirt track not a regular track... i promise...

[M52 POWER!]

We car that sir :stoopid:

Car that sir?

[TheDarkSide]

*call that sir* :banghead:

[kelso]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMY9WSagbbg

looks like dirt to me

[TheDarkSide]

Not to me :dunno: Lots of tire squeal.

[AwesomeSL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMY9WSagbbg

looks like dirt to me

:thanks: someone finally found it and proved me right... LD and everyone else watch the Rally style cars slide around and kick up dirt...

[TheDarkSide]

I don't think it is dirt. Maybe just dust, think, it is at a stadium where they play sports at. All I hear is tire squeal around each turn.

[AwesomeSL]

I don't think it is dirt. Maybe just dust, think, it is at a stadium where they play sports at. All I hear is tire squeal around each turn.

DAVID!!! you arent paying attention... why would a rally car be racing on a regular track? isnt it meant for DIRT?!?!?!?!:rofl:

[TheDarkSide]

Oh yeah, the ground is shiny. The headlights bling on the ground.

[TheDarkSide]

Start a poll. Most will vote indoor. :shifty:

[AwesomeSL]

Start a poll. Most will vote indoor. :shifty:

indoor can have dirt too Dave... watch the video and look at the dirt... oh and by the way he says that it is an indoor rally stage at 1:28 into the video... rally doesnt run on a regular track unless it is built into a dirt or field style track...

[AwesomeSL]

Carrera2S 1:12:00
Carrera4S 1:11:30

Stig says the Carrera2S is still the nicer of the 2... yes there is lots of tire squeel but you can clearly see when he is on dirt in the track...

[TheDarkSide]

:dunno: Don't ask me.

[Gator911]

that is why you should watch top gear... they proved that exact statement wrong by running the carrera S and the C4S around the same track, indoors so there wasnt any heat change. The awd ran a faster time.
Doesn't the 4S have more HP though??

[TheDarkSide]

Both 355 I thought :dunno:

[LynxZ3r0]

Go to 00:41 - They specifically state "...turned into a special stage of the British World Rally championship."

Therefore, I would assume it is more than "just pavement."

[FactorX]

... lol... i just mentioned it because I have a thing for AWD that I don't usually let on about... hehe... I used to drool over a neighbor's 330xi for years in college when I lived in Michigan... AWD + Winter = WINNAR!

[LynxZ3r0]

If I didn't live in Florida, I'd have an 06 STi ;) Still love the cars, but there's nowhere really to push them at what they do best in this state.

[TheDarkSide]

I am not in this whole Xi vs Ci argument. I am just saying that that is not an ordinary "rally dirt track".

[LynxZ3r0]

I agree that it may not be an "ordinary" rally track, but I think it is may be more than just pavement.

[TheDarkSide]

I will agree to that. I am just saying lets not exaggerate like it is an off-road course. It is apparent that it is still on concrete due to the texture and tire squeal, it may have some light dirt over it though.

[AwesomeSL]

I agree that it may not be an "ordinary" rally track, but I think it is may be more than just pavement.

it seems like pavement at times but other times if seems like a dirt track...

[kelso]

how many sports arenas are paved... its definatetly a dusty track

[LDadrenaline]

its asphalt watch it again.... well concrete, whatever.... season 7 episode 5, im watching it now

[LDadrenaline]

also thats the same episode with the bugatti veyron, and he goes on to say how good awd is, especially with high hp cars that need to get the power to the ground

[AwesomeSL]

also thats the same episode with the bugatti veyron, and he goes on to say how good awd is, especially with high hp cars that need to get the power to the ground

yea high hp cars such as the Bugatti bc it has 1001bhp...

[LDadrenaline]

yeah hahahaha..... but it means that in all cars basically that it puts the power down better. I'd say in low hp cars like an mx-5 or an s2k or most of the 3 series that it wouldnt be any better, possibly worse. But the higher hp you go, the more it helps.

what were we arguing about anyways?? I really dont remember lol

[AwesomeSL]

yeah hahahaha..... but it means that in all cars basically that it puts the power down better. I'd say in low hp cars like an mx-5 or an s2k or most of the 3 series that it wouldnt be any better, possibly worse. But the higher hp you go, the more it helps.

what were we arguing about anyways?? I really dont remember lol

well i think AWD is nice on a high hp car... but still sometimes you just need a RWD 1001bhp car hahaha.....

[LDadrenaline]

lol rwd on a 1001 hp car.... be flying along at 120 mph, then drop down a few gears and dump the clutch. Then it would look like you're doing a standstill burnout at 120 hahahaha

[AwesomeSL]

lol rwd on a 1001 hp car.... be flying along at 120 mph, then drop down a few gears and dump the clutch. Then it would look like you're doing a standstill burnout at 120 hahahaha

exactly my point :thumbu:
:rofl:

[AwesomeSL]

http://www.bmwusa.com/BMW2003/Templates/MicroSiteHandlerNew3.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fVehicles%2ffuturevehicles%2fnew3s eries&NRNODEGUID=%7b1534E818-2D91-4214-8AAE-93C4978E8BA0%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest&bhcp=1

BMW has just released this website for the new 3-Series Coupe... God this thing takes my breath away :drool:

[TheDarkSide]

^:drool:

[AwesomeSL]

^:drool:

did you do the thing where you coul pick the colors and rims? God this car is going to be the future of design and performance for BMW just like almost every other 3-Series ever... 2007 BMW 335i,328i/328Xi :bow:

[TheDarkSide]

I downloaded the video. That was enough to convince me I liked it.

[AwesomeSL]

I downloaded the video. That was enough to convince me I liked it.

OMG ya that video is awesome... i just got the new BMW Magazine in the mail and the 335i is in there and holy hell its so cool...

[TheDarkSide]

I wanted to order the model specific brochure but I only saw full-lineup as a choice.

[AwesomeSL]

I wanted to order the model specific brochure but I only saw full-lineup as a choice.

no open the magazine and in the middle of the article on the 335i there is a info thing for the 2007 3-Series, and then in the X3 info there is one for the new 2007 X3... im filling mine out as we speak

[TheDarkSide]

I do not get the mag...:(

[AwesomeBMW]

I do not get the mag...:(
if you go onto BMW's website you can order it and its only 5 bucks for like a couple of years subscription, or you can just buy a new or CPO BMW :D

[TheDarkSide]

:thumbu: Cool

[kelso]

mmmmm ill have one in black with the 328 sport wheels please!...thats a neat site i like the looks a bit more as well

[AwesomeBMW]

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/335icoupe/default

build your own boys and girls and start the dreaming and drooling...

[TheDarkSide]

:alright: